Butch

Hi, This might not go well for me lol. I know Patts is still a good destination, offering decent hotels and restaurants, bars and some good fun to be had, but the "demise" of Walking street into a very aggressively marketed commercial centre, and the hardened attitudes of the girls working there has turned it into an place to be avoided by most mongers, apart from looking at some eye candy and the odd, decent venue worth visiting like FLB, Mistys, Babydolls or Diablo. These kinds of venue are slowly becoming the exceptions rather than the rules of WS though. Now this isn't (hopefully)

It is this coming Sunday , I saw no harm in posting early.

Apologies if this is in the wrong section, but it affects all of us. None of us would enjoy the freedoms we have today without the sacrifice of those who have served and fallen, and continue to serve. God Bless. When You Go Home, Tell Them Of Us And Say, For Your Tomorrow, We Gave Our Today. Lest we forget.

There was a doco on football hooligans a good few years back, and they interviewed one of the owners of this bar. Basically he sued the Police for wrongful arrest and got £25k, then moved to Patts and opened the bar. My memory is pretty hazy though but I think thats what he said at the time. There is still an underbelly of hooliganism in football today, nowhere near as bad as it was in the 80's though. Represents all that is bad about the UK, hoolies and lager louts did horrific damage to the reputation of England over the past years which, in all truth, still exsists to this day. sham

As an update: Cebu are offering cheap fares (1400) peso to BKK one way from MNL, however, here's the catch: Booking / Admin Fee php 100 per person. Departure Tax php 550 per person (aka Terminal Fee) Fuel surcharge php from 400 to 2600 per person. Travel Tax php 1620 Country specific Taxes from php 415 to php 1500 I saw this in the Manila Herald just three days ago, but it's also on their website.

Hi, Stun guns afaik are a firearms offence in the UK, along with pepper spray and CS Gas and fall under the legislation of having a complete ban, meaning there is no legal reason to own one and you cannot get a licence (along with some martial arts stuff and gravity / flick knives). Trying to bring one through UK customs is naughty and will land you, very possibly, a stretch (it's seen like trying to smuggle a firearm in). Importation of stun guns can lead from a fine to up to 6 months in prison, or both. In more serious cases, you can end up spending up to 7 years in prison. Remember thi

Oddly during my last trip, their price for tea was the same regardless of how large the size was. 75 baht iirc. Not a big fan of Starbucks, I'd rather support my local, independant coffee shop. Why is it though in every Starbucks the world over that the girls who work there are attractive but the blokes all poofters?. Enquiring minds need to know. cheers Butch

Pt taxi service are reliable and as good as any, 1000 baht from swampy to patts. I usually give the driver 120 baht for the tolls plus a tip if he hasn't given me a coronary during the journey. Good lads, they load up your luggage and take it to hotel reception on arrival, so all in all a decent service. I know it's basic stuff, but in each email I always give my hotel & flight details etc, and ask what would happen in the event of a delay on my part, plus a contact no if he's not there. Pt always reply with confirmation and info. I always reconfirm via email on the day before travel .

Love the place, early evening in for some food, read the paper (please stop doing the Daily Mail crosswords - whoever you are) and then onto wherever. I've also seen some fantastic lightning shows out at sea from here during the evening. One complaint, albeit a pedantic one, please change the music videos. Cheers Butch

Hi, Yep agree 100% with Cheshire. I opened an AC with Kasikorn in Big C within 30 mins of stepping out of the shower once I arrived in Pattaya. Piece of piss. All i needed was my hotel address, passport and of course, cash. They did all the paperwork, issued me a Debit card there and then and the girl showed me how to change the PIN. If you have an account, set up your internet banking while in Pattaya, because I understand it's not possible to do this once you've left for some reason, then you can transfer your money before you arrive the next time. I'm not sure how long the AC is kept op

Sorry to threadfuck, but I'm flying on the Malaysia Airbus A380 KUL-LHR this week,then LHR-KUL A380 KUL-MNL B737. Going cattle class cos it was a last minute flight job, not that I can afford business on the fucker anyway. Only went LHR-BKK once on Thai on one of thier shitty 747's. Never again, the EVA 777-300ER's far outclass the Thai service, despite the fall in EVA's quality since the 1990's (who remembers giving the hostesses a round of applause at the end of every flight on the 747's?).

Philippines? Angeles is similar to Walking Street of the early 90's. Del Pilar and P Burgos a shadow of their former selves, hardly worth a visit, and if the new PM has his way, they'll be redeveloped anyway. However, local knowledge goes a long way and there's some cracking bars around Mabini, Cavite, Bacoor, Laguna & Ayala, but well off the tourist route and unless you live here, they'll not be easy to find.

Horrific story about the Norwegian. RIP. Bloody hell I used to go to Pattaya to get away from all the fighting and trouble in the English pubs.

I see the quality of the girls on the " half dozen" has slightly improved then........ Tiger, Caligulas, Fire and Ice, Marilyns.....Soi 7 & 8 as dirt tracks.....I could go on. Change happens, perhaps we've witnessed it exponentially in Pattaya, FWIW I look at patts as a "micro climate" where everything happens faster, change is not always good and despite many protestations, I recall seeing my first sign in Russian Cryllic in 1995, even then people were moaning about the influx. I remember going to Happy A GoGo's opening night, Dagmar then running the joint. Is it better today?

Agree 100% with the above. Pattaya is a safe place, most of the problems seem to be Thai on Thai, none of our business. Safer than most of London at night,certainly safer than pretty much all of Manila with the exception of Alabang, & I'd wager safer than alot of other places BM's live.

Hi, For alot of guys it's a case of none at all. For some it's a few. For the average 2/3 week monger , how many actually spend the whole trip with a BG overnight every night?. I stopped my mongering yonks ago. Couple of reasons, one is cos I'm now older & with Mrs Butch and the other is that in the PI it's so easy to monger the thrill of it all has kind of worn off. Besides, X number of years of it wore thin and keeping it under the radar was becoming a chore. Anyways , during my trips to Patts there's more often than not the case of guys on a trip finding a keeper after a few da

Cebu Pacific have garnered a poor reputation in the PI over the past year. They often come out with enticing deals but there are sometimes hidden charges, some very tight regs on the flight details and I've heard a rumour (unsubstantiated) that the price advertised on some deals was only for the first 50 Customers. either that or it's 888p one way, 10,888 return. I'd check it out first mate. we use them all the time to fly to Naga city and Legaspi from MNL and in all truth they're good, but again they have a well known habit of cancelling flights when it's not viable for them to operate. W

Hi. The role of the mamasan has changed over the years. Back in the heady days of the 80's and 90's she was, to the girls, a matriarch, teacher, counsellor, money lender, advisor, scribe, translator and judge all rolled into one. Nowadays, the girls speak very passable English. Education is better (and with the internet, more accessible) and there's not much doubt that although alot of the girls in the game are still young, they now enter into it with much more knowledge and foresight than they ever have done before. Now, a good mamasan is worth her weight in gold, Moulee being one of

Hi anyone know if they're ok if you decide to change rooms during your stay, or if you're not happy if they'll move you to a different one?. Reason I ask is that i've been told some of the ones nearer to the street are noisy at night. I guess a request could be made upon booking. Cheers Butch

Could have ended up seriously hurting her. Couple of idiots.

too funny, especially #6. Am I the only person who deliberately engages Indian Tailors in conversation then walks off half way through?. Cheers Butch

DOH!! lol thanks, you're spot on of course. Maybe 2 shots of the stuff is my limit though. For general drinking I like a drop of Woods. I do like a rum, where can I get some Sailor Jerry?. Never heard of it either in the UK or PI, then again unless it's Tanduay most flippers are in the dark... Cheers Butch

Hi Bacardi 151 is 75.5 % proof, never had anything so strong since "Doc" gave me a shot of genuine moonshine in FLB back in 2000 and my memory of the night is blank. If you're used to strong spirits and can handle the burning sensation as it goes down, then it won't take you long to get wankered on this stuff. Available in most SM Malls in the Philippines for the princely sum of 680 peso a bottle. Cheers Butch

Sorry Gonzo I was replying to Gawd elpus, aka Grazel , mr pastry etc..... Cheers Butch

Ahh Kelpie...whatever happened to him?. Bahtbus was a good forum, I sadly never got to meet Sweeny Todd, shame cos he seemed like a top bloke. Grazel ,can I be in your gang?. Are there any peculiar initiation ceremonies I need to be awre of?. Cheers Butch