Hotels high speed internet

[ibber 0]

What and how are hotels charging for high speed internet in room connection?

 

 

Do you feel there is much difference between 128 or 256 Kbps?

 

 

What would you consider to be a reasonable charge?

[cybers1b 8]

What and how are hotels charging for high speed internet in room connection?

 

 

Do you feel there is much difference between 128 or 256 Kbps?

 

 

What would you consider to be a reasonable charge?

First you would have to find one in Pattaya that has indeed hispeed internet access in the room, the only one I know for sure is the Marriott and they charge 672 baht per 24 hours for 512/256 ADSL (USB or Ethernet), the same price as at all Marriotts in Thailand. Another one seems to be Royal Cliff but I don't know how much they charge. Other then that I don't know any in Pattaya nor have I read about any on the board. This topic was written about many times so you might want to try a search as well.

 

now in bangkok it is a different thing and there you can find many hotels who offer this kind of additional service (sometimes free of charge).

 

cheers

cyber

[SunnyValentine 173]

Cyber, as Ibber is the owner of Residence Garden I can smell a certain reason behind his posting, different to what you have had in mind ......

Just did read on this forum (or was it on Thaivisa?) that Bella Villa has Wireless Internet in the rooms, so I guess it is finally coming to Pattaya!!!!

 

In Bangkok the prices are quite varied, from 600++ at the Marriott to free (included in room rent) at the President Solitaire.

Grand President where I staid a few times did charge around 160 a Day or 700 a Week, they have an unusual setup providing an ADSL Modem in the room, instead of using a router and LAN Sockets. Pity they do not install voice splitters, so a Phone call kills your Connection .......

The biggest rip-off I found was at the Novotel Lotus last Year, they had a leaflet offering Broadband Internet, but the Cable (Telephone) and instructions on how to use showed they just offered an internal Modem Connection, for the price of 100 Bt for half hour or 600 Bt a Day; what a rip-off!

 

I pay 2600 Bt here in my house in Jomtien for a 512/256 line (Jinet, works fine, no problems ...) How much would I pay for in a Hotel? 100 Bt a Night definitely, 200, I doubt I would, unless I really need it for work.

2 Hours Online with Modem costs around 50 Bt (consider 3 calls for 8 - 10 Bt, and 12 Bt an Hour for Loxinfo Card), double this price for fast connection, and I would go for it, but I can hardly see a higher price ok for me.

 

Sunny

[cybers1b 8]

Thanks Sunny, didn't realize who Ibber was

 

Well, if somebody asked me how much I would pay, no more then 150 Baht additional per day if it was 256 and no more then 100 Baht a day if it was 128. More then that and I would just use an internet cafe. The question would be how much does it cost a Hotel to offer 128 or 256 per Room? Is it affordable to do it in Pattaya yet and offer it at a rate that does appeal to customers? Time will bring it to Pattaya on a cheaper rate just like it arrived in Bangkok. Now as Sunny said, some Hotels offer it free of charge as additional service and unless it is a Chain like Marriott (672 Baht per 24 hours is a rip off considereing ADSL prices in Bangkok) the Hotels who charge, charge around 1500 to 2000 Baht per month for long term guests and between 100 and 200 Baht per day for shorter stays.

[torrenova 644]

Sunny,

 

You reallly pay Bt2600 per month for 5152/256 ?

 

I ask as I'm getting a condo soon and am interested in this. In the UK I pay GBP 30 for 1024/512 which equates to about Bt2100. It seems really expensive at Bt2600.

 

Whats the story about getting it through cable in Pattaya ? Anyone got any ideas ?

[cybers1b 8]

Sunny,

 

You reallly pay Bt2600 per month for 5152/256 ?

 

I ask as I'm getting a condo soon and am interested in this. In the UK I pay GBP 30 for 1024/512 which equates to about Bt2100. It seems really expensive at Bt2600.

 

Whats the story about getting it through cable in Pattaya ? Anyone got any ideas ?

2600 is the current price to pay in Pattaya as fat as I know and it is not even available all over Pattaya yet. No such cheap offers as in Bangkok becuase of the lack of infrastructure, but that will change faster then you know.

 

The only HFC Cable network that can be used for cable modems is in Bangkok (UBC) as far as I know. You can get cable modems in Bangkok from True (as theTrue Corporation has a big stake in UBC) but they are rather pricey compared with teh ADSL access.

 

cheers

cyber

[Emil 0]

The question would be how much does it cost a Hotel to offer 128 or 256 per Room?

It shouldn't be very much if an internet shop can charge 2000 baht for 100 hours of useage and make a profit. These internet shops are also paying for the computer hardware/software, labor and overhead of the shop which would not be included for the hotel.

 

Emil

[cybers1b 8]

It shouldn't be very much if an internet shop can charge 2000 baht for 100 hours of useage and make a profit.  These internet shops are also paying for the computer hardware/software, labor and overhead of the shop which would not be included for the hotel.

 

Emil

But there is a difference if you offer 256 kbit per room or like an internet shop 256 kbit all together they have usually either a leased line or one ADSL Business access which they share for all customers. But if you want to offer real 256 kbit per room it is something different completely, not only in terms of price but also in terms of necessary technical prerequisites and available phone lines. Some Hotels in Bangkok offer seperate modems in every room, some offer access through a regular LAN. If you tell people that you offer 256(128) kbit internet access in the room that's what they expect, not 256 kbit for 30 (or any other number) rooms, it's easy to feel and messura the difference.

 

Check out the internet cafes at pattaya, they all share one connection, of course they can sell you the hour for 20 baht, think about how much money they make that way. They probably pay between about 8,000 Baht if the use a leased line 128k, they pay between 3,000 and 10,000 for a business ADSL access. In Bangkok the internet cafes in the areas off the tourist paths (eg Prachasonkor, Soi Morleng off Rajada, Din Daeng,..) charge 10 Baht per Hour and still make money (even less then 10 Baht if you buy cards like you mentioned)

 

So the question I should have asked first would be: Is the plan is to offer real 256 (or 128) per room or one connection shared for all rooms through either a wireless (11 Mbit or 54 Mbit) or a regular LAN (10 or 100 or 1000 Mbit). It would also make a difference to how much I would pay for the connection in the room

 

cheers

cyber

[SunnyValentine 173]

Cyber, I very much doubt that any Hotel offers dedicated guaranteed Internet connections.

A little Math:

consider the Hotel is 70% booked over the Year.

Suppose one out of 5 Guests goes for this service, for average two hours a Day.

These figures would result in theory that each guest online has almost the full bandwith available.

Now correct these figures for High Season, times of the Day when the Internet is used more often than other times, and so on.

Without going too much into details (I am sure these calculations are not at all unknown to you at True Corp. ) I guess that a 1 Mb connection for each 100 rooms should well give the 256 Speed average for each user.

 

Sunny

[SunnyValentine 173]

Torrenova, yes, that was the best offer I could get in Pattaya. And it is not even a dedicated speed, it is shared with 5 other users, so in theory can go down to 50/25 when all others are online and using it full throttle.

Hey, this is Tailand, not England!

 

Sunny

[Emil 0]

Suppose one out of 5 Guests goes for this service, for average two hours a Day.

Unless these guys must stay in contact with their jobs, these guys have their priorties screwed up if they spend 2 hours a day on the net while on holiday in Pattaya. I stop by the internet shop about 5 times a week, check my emails, look at the ESPN website to keep up with American sports (severe lack of coverage on TV) and take a quick glance of the FLB board for a total of about 30 minutes a visit.

 

Emil

[SunnyValentine 173]

I really enjoy reading my home morning paper with a cup of coffee while looking at last night's BF still sleeping after the morning excercise ..... so, I guess, it's up to ....

 

Sunny

[cybers1b 8]

there are indeed hotels in bangkok that offer you a personal modem in the room if you require it - of course you are absolutley right that it is not the norm and even with it the speed can not be guarnateed (you are right, these calculations are well known to me ), what i said in my post was that it depends on what you want to offer to you guests and on the price you have to pay for it. It would influence how much I am prepared to pay. It really depends on how you offer this service, you should not be advertising a 256 kbit connection per room if all you have is a 256 kbit connection for all your rooms together. But working for a ISP, I know that the practical applications of such things look different

 

cheers

cyber

[SunnyValentine 173]

Cyber, as i mentioned in my earlier post I came across a DSL modem at the Grand President Bangkok. But: This modem connected to a Proxy Server within the Hotel, sharing the line of 1 MB If I remember rightly.

So, it is just a different way of distributing the line into the rooms (they don't have to set up Ethernet Cables all round the Hotel), that's all.

 

 

Sunny

[cybers1b 8]

have to write an email to a friend who stayed at a Hotel where they had modems in the room and this modems where set up to connect to samartdsl, can't remember the Hotels name now, it was a smaller Hotel (maybe about 50 rooms or so) and they had this service not on all of their rooms.

 

But about the ADSL modem connection to a proxy server, that's something I don't understand right now and I will have to ask our telco people about it, I always thought the endpoint of an ADSL Modem is the corresponding DSLAM in the segment? How could a proxy server respond to an ADSL Modem that want's to initiate a Data connection to a Muliplexer? But I don't know too much about this side of the Business, happy to have stayed in teh IT side and have not much to do with xDSL equipment other them my modem

 

cheers

cyber

[SunnyValentine 173]

Cyber, might well be I was not very precise with the term proxy. As I had some problem with the connection there at Grand President, I got to talk to their techie. He explained the setup as they are running a Multiplexer (24 Connections or so, I don't recall), which itself is connected to the Internet by a leased line of 1 MBit speed.

 

Sunny

[cybers1b 8]

that's what a collegue just explained to me - he said many hotels have such a setup, they use their own little DSL setup in the hotel but their internet access is throough a leased line rather then ADSL. But he also said that these devices used are usually no real modems but something similar. As the Hotel can hardly make use of a modem as it usually lacks the infrastructure (authentication,...). But he also told me that allmost all Hotels that where built after 1996 have Ethernet cabeling, wether they use it or not. The cables where part of the building plans of hotels or office buildings in bangkok since then obviously, I did not know that.

 

I will post the name of the above mentioned Hotel as soon as I get it...

 

cheers

cyber

[Bigmike 0]

But he also told me that allmost all Hotels that where built after 1996 have Ethernet cabeling, wether they use it or not. The cables where part of the building plans of hotels or office buildings in bangkok since then obviously, I did not know that.

 

I will post the name of the above mentioned Hotel as soon as I get it...

 

cheers

cyber

What on earth does ethernet cabeling mean. I have ADSL here in Australia and yes I have ethernet, but it is installed in my computer. I'm a bit confused????.

Bigmike.

[SunnyValentine 173]

Bigmike, Ethernet is the Cable you use to connect the ADSL Modem to your Computer.

In your case I guess it is just one or 2 Meters, on your Desk or under the Table.

But in order to have a Broadband Internet Connection in a big Hotel, you need to run this Cable into all rooms, preferably behind the Wall. And this can be quite a task to install, once it is not there already.

 

Sunny

[Bigmike 0]

OK Sunny I see what you mean, thank you.

Bigmike.

[Stumpdog 11]

Hi Ib,

 

256 is better than 128. I would happily pay 100 - 150 (maybe more) baht a night for 256.

 

Would love to see this at the RG. Any chance before November?

 

Regards,

 

Stump_Dog.