Airbus and Boeing products running behind schedule

[Emil]

There's certainly enough business to keep both companies reasonably happy for the next 8-10 years at least.

 

That's for sure, here are some Boeing numbers as of end of Dec 2006 from their annual report. Deliveries were for 2006.

 

747 14 deliveries, 116 back orders

 

777 65 deliveries, 299 back orders

 

767 12 deliveries, 28 back orders

 

737 102 deliveries, 1560 back orders

 

787 448 back orders

Edited June 26, 2007 by Emil

[Samsonite]

http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2007/06...ew-boeing-.html

 

"The new Boeing 787's flappy wings

By Adam Rogers June 26, 2007 | 4:51:58 PMCategories: Materials Science

 

Next May Boeing's scheduled to deliver the first 787, a new jet they're frantically trying to build right now, to All Nippon Airlines. The 787's been selling like gangbusters, putting Boeing out front, business-wise, versus its main competitor, Airbus. (Airbus, for its part, is working on the massive, double-decked A380 in a flat-out competition.)

 

Boeing's strategy with the 787 has been to make a light, efficient, smaller-scale jet to appeal to carriers concerned about costs. So among the other innovations, the company is making the wings out of carbon-fiber composite instead of metal. No one's ever really tried that before, so testing is critical. Here's the June 25 Aviation Week and Space Technology on that subject:

 

Boeing has completed static testing of a three-quarter wingbox, but engineers are still considering whether to limit testing of the full wing to a 150% load limit held for 3 sec. of to continue bending it to see when it breaks. "There's a raging debate within the engineering team to see if we should break it or not," says [787 General Manager Mike] Bair.

 

Breaking it isn't necessary for certification, but Bair says the wing is so strong and flexible that there's been talk that maybe it could be bend far enough for the wingtips to touch above the fuselage—or come quite close.

 

Emphasis, perhaps needless to say, is mine. And also? Holy crap! That's badass.

 

Aviation Week general link"

http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2007/06...ew-boeing-.html

[BigDUSA]

At present, Boeing expects to have 42 aircraft parked outside its 787 final assembly building by the time the 787 receives certification and they start deliveries in May of next year.

 

 

How sweet it is. On line and on time and up to 42 waiting to take to the air. See what can happen when the engineering team talks to the manufacturing team.

 

 

 

[sabang]

^ Indeed. And when they both talk to management is a bonus as well.

Lessons that Airbus have learnt the expensive way.

[CheshireTom]

How sweet it is. On line and on time and up to 42 waiting to take to the air. See what can happen when the engineering team talks to the manufacturing team.

 

Like the A380, both the Dreamlifter and 767 tanker were also on schedule up to roll out. It's then that delays kick in ................ 6 months for the Dreamlifter and 3 years for the 767 tanker. Presumably the engineering and management teams were talking to each other on those projects as well.

Edited June 27, 2007 by CheshireTom

[eltib]

Like the A380, both the Dreamlifter and 767 tanker were also on schedule up to roll out. It's then that delays kick in ................ 6 months for the Dreamlifter and 3 years for the 767 tanker. Presumably the engineering and management teams were talking to each other on those projects as well.

 

Now Now Tom....We have to give them the benefit of the doubt...........

 

But I want to know where BIGD got the figure of 42 waiting to take to the air?

 

Oh that's right, Scally posted an opinion without any reference material once again.

Edited June 27, 2007 by eltib

[wacmedia]

Now Now Tom....We have to give them the benefit of the doubt...........

 

But I want to know where BIGD got the figure of 42 waiting to take to the air?

 

Oh that's right, Scally posted an opinion without any reference material once again.

 

Hi,

 

If Scally ever done a bibliographical reference it would list the most unknown journals in the history of Mankind.

[The Mook]

for Boeing it's all about the nuts and bolts

[BigDUSA]

First Fully Assembled Boeing 787 Dreamliner Rolls Out

Brandon Hill (Blog) - June 28, 2007 3:12 PM

 

It has been a long time coming, but the first Boeing 787 Dreamliner has rolled off the assembly line. Charles Conklin -- an avid aviation enthusiast -- managed to snap some pictures of a fully assembled Dreamliner sans paint.

 

According to Flightblogger, the official roll-out ceremony for the Dreamliner is on July 8 with the first delivered scheduled to take place in May of next year. The production run of aircraft is completely booked until 2013 at the earliest.

 

The Dreamliner is the next generation of airliners for Boeing and makes use of composite materials in 50 percent of its body and wings. The use of composite materials has helped Boeing keep the weight down which allows the Dreamliner to be 20 percent more fuel efficient than its closest rivals. Top speed for the aircraft is Mach 0.85.

 

Business travelers will appreciate the integrated networking capabilities on the Dreamliner. Boeing had initially planned to equip its Dreamliner with wireless networking, but instead decided on a wired networking to save 150 pounds per plane.

 

As of April, 44 customers have ordered 544 Dreamliners at a cost of $75 billion USD.

 

 

How sweet it is. Once again American ingenuity and manufacturing prowess comes to the fore. Along with the many suppliers all over the globe the Dreamliner rolls out ahead of schedule with the engines attached.

Edited June 28, 2007 by BigDUSA

[Indiscipline]

First Fully Assembled Boeing 787 Dreamliner Rolls Out

Brandon Hill (Blog) - June 28, 2007 3:12 PM

 

It has been a long time coming, but the first Boeing 787 Dreamliner has rolled off the assembly line. Charles Conklin -- an avid aviation enthusiast -- managed to snap some pictures of a fully assembled Dreamliner sans paint.

 

According to Flightblogger, the official roll-out ceremony for the Dreamliner is on July 8 with the first delivered scheduled to take place in May of next year. The production run of aircraft is completely booked until 2013 at the earliest.

 

The Dreamliner is the next generation of airliners for Boeing and makes use of composite materials in 50 percent of its body and wings. The use of composite materials has helped Boeing keep the weight down which allows the Dreamliner to be 20 percent more fuel efficient than its closest rivals. Top speed for the aircraft is Mach 0.85.

 

Business travelers will appreciate the integrated networking capabilities on the Dreamliner. Boeing had initially planned to equip its Dreamliner with wireless networking, but instead decided on a wired networking to save 150 pounds per plane.

 

As of April, 44 customers have ordered 544 Dreamliners at a cost of $75 billion USD.

How sweet it is. Once again American ingenuity and manufacturing prowess comes to the fore. Along with the many suppliers all over the globe the Dreamliner rolls out ahead of schedule with the engines attached.

 

Before your patriotic feelings go through the roof, i just want to remind, that most of the parts of the 787 have the "made in Japan", "made in Sweden" and made in Italy stamp on it.

[BigDUSA]

How sweet it is. Once again American ingenuity and manufacturing prowess comes to the fore. Along with the many suppliers all over the globe the Dreamliner rolls out ahead of schedule with the engines attached.

 

 

Before your patriotic feelings go through the roof, i just want to remind, that most of the parts of the 787 have the "made in Japan", "made in Sweden" and made in Italy stamp on it.

 

I gave credit where credit is due. Without the subcontractors delivering quality parts on time the Dreamliner would be a pile of parts sitting on the assembly line.

[Samsonite]

As of last week there are 634 firm orders from 45 customers.

 

US and non-US content on the 787:

 

Roughly 75 percent US

Roughly 25 percent non-US

 

Source: http://www.boeing.com/commercial/787family/programfacts.html

Edited June 29, 2007 by Scalawag

[eltib]

US and non-US content on the 787:

 

Roughly 75 percent US

Roughly 25 percent non-US

 

Source: http://www.boeing.com/commercial/787family/programfacts.html

 

 

That must be a typo, if not a lie....

 

After all their execs have lied many times before.

 

Ask Boeing how many H1B Visa's they've requested?

Edited June 29, 2007 by eltib

[wacmedia]

As of last week there are 634 firm orders from 45 customers.

 

US and non-US content on the 787:

 

Roughly 75 percent US

Roughly 25 percent non-US

 

Source: http://www.boeing.com/commercial/787family/programfacts.html

 

That must be a typo, if not a lie....

 

After all their execs have lied many times before.

 

Ask Boeing how many H1B Visa's they've requested?

 

 

Hi,

 

If the plane makes it on time I will say Well Done. However, you have to be a delusional fool if you believe that guff from Seattle.

[CheshireTom]

Hi,

 

If the plane makes it on time I will say Well Done. However, you have to be a delusional fool if you believe that guff from Seattle.

 

waccy,

 

How many times do you need to be told?

 

Scally has told you on several occasions that Boeing delivers its products to spec, on time and if there was a delay they, being an ethical company, wouldn't try to hide that fact from their customers like those guys at Airbus do.

 

Technical glitches have delayed border fence

 

10:35 AM Mountain Standard Time on Friday, June 22, 2007

 

By 3TV

 

The virtual border fence at the Arizona-Mexico border may not be working on time.

 

Technical glitches have delayed the fence, which is supposed to secure 28 miles along the border near Nogales.

 

The virtual fence is a network of remote cameras and sensors.

 

The fence was supposed to be working by early July, however, this month's tests have produced unreliable results.

 

Gov. Janet Napolitano says that she was told last week by Boeing, who is making the high-tech fence, that the project was on target.

[wacmedia]

waccy,

 

How many times do you need to be told?

 

Scally has told you on several occasions that Boeing delivers its products to spec, on time and if there was a delay they, being an ethical company, wouldn't try to hide that fact from their customers like those guys at Airbus do.

 

The fence was supposed to be working by early July, however, this month's tests have produced unreliable results.

 

Gov. Janet Napolitano says that she was told last week by Boeing, who is making the high-tech fence, that the project was on target. [/i]

 

Hi,

 

[Samsonite]

If the plane makes it on time I will say Well Done. However, you have to be a delusional fool if you believe that guff from Seattle.

WHO KNEW??!!!

Who knew that eltib, who carries a grudge against Boeing the size of the Hoover Dam, and you, wacky, the intellectual midget, would be the world's leading authorities on the content (all the parts and where they are made) of Boeing airliners.

Amazing! Just bleeping amazing.

Edited June 29, 2007 by Scalawag

[wacmedia]

 

 

Hi,

 

Self loathing is not the way to go mate. Now I know where you get all that anger from.

[eltib]

WHO KNEW??!!!

Who knew that eltib, who carries a grudge against Boeing the size of the Hoover Dam, and you, wacky, the intellectual midget, would be the world's leading authorities on the content (all the parts and where they are made) of Boeing airliners.

Amazing! Just bleeping amazing.

 

Like I said. Oct 16, 2007 I will get to air my complaints against Boeing, with a government agency. It won't be because of the product they produce, but rather how they follow and enforce their procedures. Call it whatever me whatever you want Scally, but I paid someone with the knowledge and authority, to verify that I had a case.

 

I definitely won't be on the 6 o'clock news though.

 

BTW, I laugh at stupid people like yourself.

 

 

Don't go away mad, just go away.

Edited June 30, 2007 by eltib

[BigDUSA]

Like I said. Oct 16, 2007 I will get to air my complaints against Boeing, with a government agency. It won't be because of the product they produce, but rather how they follow and enforce their procedures. Call it whatever me whatever you want Scally, but I paid someone with the knowledge and authority, to verify that I had a case.

 

I definitely won't be on the 6 o'clock news though.

 

BTW, I laugh at stupid people like yourself.

Don't go away mad, just go away.

 

Good luck with your case.

[wacmedia]

Good luck with your case.

 

Hi,

 

I hope he bankrupts the buggers.

[Tahoe_Bill]

Boeing Invites the World to View the 787 Premiere

 

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/news/2007...070628a_nr.html

[wacmedia]

Boeing Invites the World to View the 787 Premiere

 

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/news/2007...070628a_nr.html

 

Hi,

 

My answer to that on another thread.

 

Hi,

 

You will get no argument from me when you say Americans are experts at hype and bullshit(like BigD) so no doubt they will do a good job of that. If you watch Hollywood movies they won WW2 on their own. Americas problems start when they have to interact with the real World eg. Boeing v Airbus and their relationships with our friends in the Middle East. You cant hype and bullshit reality away at the end of the day.

[Samsonite]

Looks even better "in the flesh."

MIKE SIEGEL / THE SEATTLE TIMES

 

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/busi..._787main09.html

Edited July 9, 2007 by Scalawag

[wacmedia]

MIKE SIEGEL / THE SEATTLE TIMES

 

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/busi..._787main09.html

 

 

Hi,

 

The house journals were out in force.

 

Just seen the video of unveiling. Seems a nice plane but very small.

Edited July 9, 2007 by wacmedia