Airbus and Boeing products running behind schedule

[eltib 54]

Like Albaugh is really going to be able to fix the problems of 787. Thats a big joke. Can you say 2011, and beyond?

Edited September 2, 2009 by eltib

[wacmedia 277]

Like Albaugh is really going to be able to fix the problems of 787. Thats a big joke. Can you say 2011, and beyond?

 

Hi,

 

It seems a long running problem alright. Sure most at Boeing are sorry to have heard those 3 numbers together.

[TheFiend 1,181]

I wonder if Boeing employees are also starting to call it the Nightmareliner

[wacmedia 277]

I wonder if Boeing employees are also starting to call it the Nightmareliner

 

Hi,

 

I think they were tempting fate calling it what they did.

[spacebass 0]

http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalking/20...wn-jet-project/

[wacmedia 277]

Hi,

 

That's serious shit for Boeing. Not exactly a vote of confidence in composites.

 

787 breaking news: Mitsubishi drops composite wing from own jet project

[eltib 54]

Hi,

 

That's serious shit for Boeing. Not exactly a vote of confidence in composites.

 

787 breaking news: Mitsubishi drops composite wing from own jet project

 

Mitsubishi hasn't made a decent aircraft since this. But even then after the P-51, P-38, F6F, and F4U, we were knocking them outta the air like flies.

 

Edited September 14, 2009 by eltib

[CheshireTom 1,377]

Mitsubishi hasn't made a decent aircraft since this. But even then after the P-51, P-38, F6F, and F4U, we were knocking them outta the air like flies.

 

 

I had an Airfix model of a Zero when I was a kid. Unlike today's planes though, it's plastic wings didn't fall off.

[Hub 203]

BA stocks have taken a nice turn upward (for a change).

 

For purely selfish reasons, I hope they get the US tanker deal. If they do, whilst simultaneously lanching (finally) the dreamliner, I think the stocks will go up 15-20%.

 

The current WTO ruling on airbus subsidies only turns up the political heat to award BA the contract.

 

Fingers crossed.

When the World Trade Organization issued its long-awaited ruling Sept. 4 supporting U.S. claims that the European consortium that makes Airbus planes received improper government subsidies, many media pundits viewed the ruling as both a setback for Airbus as well as the tinder for a potential trade war between the U.S. and the European Union.

 

WTO Ruling

Edited September 17, 2009 by Hub

[wacmedia 277]

BA stocks have taken a nice turn upward (for a change).

 

For purely selfish reasons, I hope they get the US tanker deal. If they do, whilst simultaneously lanching (finally) the dreamliner, I think the stocks will go up 15-20%.

 

Hi,

 

In the present climate I'd say they are more likely to get tanker deal. Too much politics involved with both companies and plenty of public money in one form or another given to both companies. Can't see it ever changing.

[BigDUSA 71]

Looks like my position on the never ending EU funding has been vindicated. Thank you WTO.

[CheshireTom 1,377]

Looks like my position on the never ending EU funding has been vindicated. Thank you WTO.

 

Not at all. The WTO has yet to report on Boeing's subsidies.

 

The interim ruling will have zero impact on the development of commercial aircraft, Boeing or Airbus. The whole WTO charade is, and always has been, a political football to justify US nationalistic tendencies. Of course, they are now desperate to award the tanker contract before the WTO reports on Boeing's subsidies. You couldn't have predicted that. Or, maybe you could.

 

 

 

Edited September 18, 2009 by CheshireTom

[Hub 203]

Not at all. The WTO has yet to report on Boeing's subsidies.

 

The interim ruling will have zero impact on the development of commercial aircraft, Boeing or Airbus. The whole WTO charade is, and always has been, a political football to justify US nationalistic tendencies. Of course, they are now desperate to award the tanker contract before the WTO reports on Boeing's subsidies. You couldn't have predicted that. Or, maybe you could.

 

 

 

Tom:

 

As documented here and exampled by the incident that caused BA to lose the tanker deal in the first place, BA has had it's fair share of piccadilos; however, why is the WTO ruling a "charade"?

 

I am not saying that BA is not trying to use the ruling as a political football, but that does not neccesarily invalidate the WTO ruling.

[BigDUSA 71]

I'll take the current WTO ruling and I'm more then willing to wait for the Boeing decision.

[CheshireTom 1,377]

Tom:

 

As documented here and exampled by the incident that caused BA to lose the tanker deal in the first place, BA has had it's fair share of piccadilos; however, why is the WTO ruling a "charade"?

 

I am not saying that BA is not trying to use the ruling as a political football, but that does not neccesarily invalidate the WTO ruling.

 

Hub,

 

As I said a couple of years ago, the WTO case had nothing to do with subsidies and everything to do with attempting to prevent EADS being part of the tanker bidding. No-one seriously expects that any sort of trade sanctions are going to be imposed by the US, or the EU, as a result of the rulings. The only fodder it serves is that dished up to the American public about those nasty French folk subsidising their industries.

[BigDUSA 71]

Hub,

 

As I said a couple of years ago, the WTO case had nothing to do with subsidies and everything to do with attempting to prevent EADS being part of the tanker bidding. No-one seriously expects that any sort of trade sanctions are going to be imposed by the US, or the EU, as a result of the rulings. The only fodder it serves is that dished up to the American public about those nasty French folk subsidising their industries.

 

Let's not forget Germany and the UK.

[CheshireTom 1,377]

Let's not forget Germany and the UK.

 

I'm sure that Mr Obama will remind them next week when he's trying to convince them to prop up GM and Ford.

[wacmedia 277]

I'm sure that Mr Obama will remind them next week when he's trying to convince them to prop up GM and Ford.

 

Hi,

 

Funny shit. We Europeans seem to have a more realistic view of business than some of our American cousins.

[joekicker 53]

Hi,

 

Funny shit. We Europeans seem to have a more realistic view of business than some of our American cousins. rolleyes

 

Do you realise what you wrote? All of you (and you are a European, noted) are more realistic than some Americans. There is not a single exception in all of Europe and its closely-possessed islands, not one.

 

That is definitely funny.

 

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[CheshireTom 1,377]

Do you realise what you wrote? All of you (and you are a European, noted) are more realistic than some Americans. There is not a single exception in all of Europe and its closely-possessed islands, not one.

 

That is definitely funny.

 

You've got to bear in mind that BigD is an American ......... That's one .... just one more needed to satisfy the plural.

Edited September 19, 2009 by CheshireTom

[Hub 203]

Hub,

 

As I said a couple of years ago, the WTO case had nothing to do with subsidies and everything to do with attempting to prevent EADS being part of the tanker bidding. No-one seriously expects that any sort of trade sanctions are going to be imposed by the US, or the EU, as a result of the rulings. The only fodder it serves is that dished up to the American public about those nasty French folk subsidising their industries.

 

I am sure there are many rulings that don't result in sanctions.

 

So am I to understand that the WTO ruling had no merit based on the facts presented?

 

Thats what I take from your post; it was just a farce dreamed up by the USA in which the WTO co-conspired, in order to spoon-feed the false results to the ignorant, gullable American public.

 

Seems a bit "one-sided", wouldn't you say?

 

At least thats what Fox News says, what else am I to think?

[CheshireTom 1,377]

I am sure there are many rulings that don't result in sanctions.

 

So am I to understand that the WTO ruling had no merit based on the facts presented?

 

Hub,

 

No, not at all. I've always said that the likely outcome would be that the WTO would find against both Airbus and Boeing.

 

 

Thats what I take from your post; it was just a farce dreamed up by the USA in which the WTO co-conspired, in order to spoon-feed the false results to the ignorant, gullable American public.

 

Has there been any other outcome? I can't recall the US suggesting any trade sanctions against the EU which is what they'd be entitled to do.

 

 

Seems a bit "one-sided", wouldn't you say?

 

Well, it is ....... until such time as the WTO rule on Boeing's illegal subsidies.

 

Have you any idea of exactly what subsidy (ies) were found to be illegal?

 

At least thats what Fox News says, what else am I to think?

 

I'm not familiar with Fox News.

 

Anyway, they're not subsidies, they're a financial stimulus package.

[CheshireTom 1,377]

Looks like my position on the never ending EU funding has been vindicated. Thank you WTO.

 

Actually, it was specifically rejected.

 

"A WTO panel on Sept. 4 found some loans by European governments for Airbus distorted trade, though it rejected a U.S. argument that loans for Airbus constituted a single program stretching back over decades".

 

 

"The World Trade Organization (WTO) has in principle accepted that European loans to Airbus did not contradict trade rules, an informed source told the German Press Agency dpa on Sunday.

The WTO distributed a much-anticipated, confidential report on Friday on the US government's claim that European Union nations gave over 4 billion dollars in subsidies to the aircraft maker for the development of the A380 Super-Jumbo airliner.

But US plane-maker Boeing has not succeeded in its goal of having the interest-bearing loans made in the past to Airbus classified by the WTO as illegal export subsidies, the source said".

Edited September 21, 2009 by CheshireTom

[wacmedia 277]

But US plane-maker Boeing has not succeeded in its goal of having the interest-bearing loans made in the past to Airbus classified by the WTO as illegal export subsidies

 

Hi,

 

Is BigD wrong again ?

[eltib 54]

I'm not familiar with Fox News.

 

You don't want to be. The biggest Neoturd, biased PoS TV news on the planet.

Edited September 25, 2009 by eltib