Airbus and Boeing products running behind schedule

[CheshireTom 1,377]

EU taxpayer is getting tired of funding Airbus's latest 'white elephant'. Airbus had to ditch the program. For a company that's delivered over 5000 airplanes they still have to get out the begging bowl. Now that's sad. So sad.

 

The EU taxpayers are quite happy with the arrangement they have with EADS. It's only the Yanks who have a problem with it.

[BigDUSA 71]

That's the whole point of Plastic Paddies - they have as much claim to "Irish heritage" as my goldfish.

 

 

 

It seems silly to slag yourself off. You're the one boasting about your Euro passport. So, are you a Euro, or not? Simple question.

 

You can be sure that each time you slag off the Euros, I'll point out your status as a Plastic Paddy.

 

Once again with the ethnic slurs. You should be ashamed of yourself. Seems like it's OK to engage in ethnic slurs on this forum. tommie does it on a regular basis. BTW I'm an American. A native born citizen just like my father before me. Your the sad little fella that frequently brings up my Irish heritage. When was the last time I boosted about being Irish? Sad little fella grasping at straws.

[eltib 54]

By the time deliveries start later this year Boeing will deliver more 787s in the following few months than airbust has delivered a380s in the last 2 1/2 years.

 

 

"Are you sure?" My coworker always says that to me when I'm too lazy to look up an accurate answer. So I pose the same question to you

[CheshireTom 1,377]

Once again with the ethnic slurs. You should be ashamed of yourself. Seems like it's OK to engage in ethnic slurs on this forum. tommie does it on a regular basis. BTW I'm an American. A native born citizen just like my father before me.

 

You need to make up your mind. You were claiming to be a Euro a couple of months back.

 

Your the sad little fella that frequently brings up my Irish heritage. When was the last time I boosted about being Irish?

 

Surely you mean when was the last time you conveniently forgot that you are Euro/Irish - a hypocritical trait that defines Plastic Paddies all over the world. Every time you hide behind some lame excuse to have a go at the Euros/Brits, I'll remind you of your heritage; or lack of.

Edited June 15, 2010 by CheshireTom

[MrMango 665]

Hi,

 

The number of the orders for the Nightmareliner are all hypothetical until they start delivering. No sign of that yet.

What have you been smoking? orders are just that - Orders. Nothing hypothetical about them.

 

When you start delivering orders you get paid though - Thats the best part..

[BigDUSA 71]

You need to make up your mind. You were claiming to be a Euro a couple of months back.

 

 

 

Surely you mean when was the last time you conveniently forgot that you are Euro/Irish - a hypocritical trait that defines Plastic Paddies all over the world. Every time you hide behind some lame excuse to have a go at the Euros/Brits, I'll remind you of your heritage; or lack of.

 

Along with the ethnic slurs tommie has become in his own mind the self appointed protector of all that's Euro. My what a grandiose mindset tommie has for a guy who been caught out slicing and dicing my quotes to make me look bad. Photo shopping pics and has cheated me out of a few bucks. Let's not forget the poor Thailand orphans that tommie has cheated.

[CheshireTom 1,377]

Along with the ethnic slurs tommie has become in his own mind the self appointed protector of all that's Euro. My what a grandiose mindset tommie has for a guy who been caught out slicing and dicing my quotes to make me look bad. Photo shopping pics and has cheated me out of a few bucks. Let's not forget the poor Thailand orphans that tommie has cheated.

 

LOL. When all else fails change the subject. Simple question, "Are you a Euro, or not?"

 

This is the definition ....

 

"Citizenship of the Union is hereby established. Every person holding the nationality of a Member State shall be a citizen of the Union. Citizenship of the Union shall be additional to and not replace national citizenship."

 

Since you claim to hold Irish citizenship, that makes you as Euro as an Airbus.

Edited June 15, 2010 by CheshireTom

[bigdelta 46]

Boeing Co. said Tuesday it plans to boost production of its 737 jet to meet continued demand.

 

The Chicago-based aerospace giant (NYSE: BA) said it would take production from 34 per month to 35 per month in early 2012.

 

Full press release below:

 

SEATTLE, June 15 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Boeing (NYSE: BA) today announced a second production rate increase on the Next-Generation 737 program, taking the rate from the previously announced 34 airplanes per month to 35 in early 2012.

 

In May, Boeing cited continued strong demand for the Next-Generation 737 as reason to ramp-up production from 31.5 to 34 airplanes per month and indicated plans to study further increases. Today's announcement acknowledges the anticipated long-term growth in this market segment and the continued pressure to raise airplane output to match expected market demand.

 

"Our customers continue to show their preference for the Next-Generation 737 by exercising order options as well as by placing new orders," said Boeing Commercial Airplanes President and CEO Jim Albaugh. "We've managed our current backlog efficiently and increasing rate is the product of our comprehensive planning and preparation. We will continue to monitor demand as we go forward."

 

Boeing and its suppliers will prepare for the rate increase over the next 18 months, assessing readiness and ensuring an orderly ramp-up from the current 31.5 airplanes per month. The rate increase is not expected to have a material impact on 2010 financial results.

 

The Next-Generation 737 program continues to innovate in the areas of improved navigation, performance and passenger comfort. The program will deliver its first 737 Boeing Sky Interior in October and is progressing with its implementation of a package of performance improvements by early 2012 that are expected to reduce fuel consumption by 2 percent.

[BigDUSA 71]

LOL. When all else fails change the subject. Simple question, "Are you a Euro, or not?"

 

This is the definition ....

 

"Citizenship of the Union is hereby established. Every person holding the nationality of a Member State shall be a citizen of the Union. Citizenship of the Union shall be additional to and not replace national citizenship."

 

Since you claim to hold Irish citizenship, that makes you as Euro as an Airbus.

 

Like I said before, I'm not the guy who keeps bringing up my Irish heritage. Your the guy who does this frequently. Your response is getting stranger as you go along. I'm an American citizen. I live in America and pay taxes here. I hold Irish citizenship but I don' live there or pay taxes to Ireland. I also hold Israeli citizenship but I don't live there or pay taxes to Israel. I consider myself a citizen of planet Earth and yes that includes the Euro zone.

[CheshireTom 1,377]

Like I said before, I'm not the guy who keeps bringing up my Irish heritage. Your the guy who does this frequently. Your response is getting stranger as you go along. I'm an American citizen. I live in America and pay taxes here. I hold Irish citizenship but I don' live there or pay taxes to Ireland. I also hold Israeli citizenship but I don't live there or pay taxes to Israel. I consider myself a citizen of planet Earth and yes that includes the Euro zone.

 

What you 'consider' yourself is irrelevant . As I said, being an Irish citizen and passport holder automatically make you a European citizen, or Euro for short.

 

I realise you don't live in or pay taxes to Ireland, but neither does my goldfish.

Edited June 16, 2010 by CheshireTom

[BigDUSA 71]

What you 'consider' yourself is irrelevant . As I said, being an Irish citizen and passport holder automatically make you a European citizen, or Euro for short.

 

I realize you don't live in or pay taxes to Ireland, but neither does my goldfish.

 

Like I said your getting weirder by the post. Now you comparing yourself to a goldfish. Actually I like the comparison. Very reminiscent of your life. Going around in little circles. Round and round tommie goes. Where he stops nobody knows or cares.

[wacmedia 277]

orders are just that - Orders. Nothing hypothetical about them.

 

When you start delivering orders you get paid though - Thats the best part..

 

Hi,

 

Thats the point I was making my fruity friend.

[Samsonite 181]

"Are you sure?" My coworker always says that to me when I'm too lazy to look up an accurate answer. So I pose the same question to you

Yes.

At the current rate Boeing will have about thirty 787s built by the time they start deliveries, not counting the 6 in the test fleet.

To date, 2 years and 8 months after airbus turned over the first a380 to Singapore Air, only 28 or 29 a380s have been delivered.

Counting the number that will be built by the end of this year and then add the number built and delivered in the 2 years and 8 months after the first 787 is turned over to ANA, Boeing will have delivered approximately 130 new 787s.

Edited June 16, 2010 by Samsonite

[CheshireTom 1,377]

Yes.

At the current rate Boeing will have about thirty 787s built by the time they start deliveries, not counting the 6 in the test fleet.

To date, 2 years and 8 months after airbus turned over the first a380 to Singapore Air, only 28 or 29 a380s have been delivered.

Counting the number that will be built by the end of this year and then add the number built and delivered in the 2 years and 8 months after the first 787 is turned over to ANA, Boeing will have delivered approximately 130 new 787s.

 

I have no doubt that will be the case with the A350 as well.

[Samsonite 181]

I have no doubt that will be the case with the A350 as well.

The a350 is still a paper airplane, isn't it or have they finally started actual production?

Edited June 16, 2010 by Samsonite

[CheshireTom 1,377]

The a350 is still a paper airplane, isn't it or have they finally started actual production?

 

So?

Edited June 17, 2010 by CheshireTom

[wacmedia 277]

The a350 is still a paper airplane, isn't it or have they finally started actual production?

 

Hi,

 

Airbus have delivered as many A350's as the American co has Nightmareliners. Fact.

[MrMango 665]

Hi,

 

Airbus have delivered as many A350's as the American co has Nightmareliners. Fact.

As usual, you play fast and loose with words. His post said nothing about delivery's - Here it is:

QUOTE (Samsonite @ Jun 16 2010, 11:18 PM)

The a350 is still a paper airplane, isn't it or have they finally started actual production?

 

 

Still just on paper - No planes yet built, unlike the 787 which has several flying.

 

Stop trying to deceive us.

[wacmedia 277]

Still just on paper - No planes yet built, unlike the 787 which has several flying.

 

Stop trying to deceive us.

 

Hi,

 

No deception at all. 787 are flying but no deliveries. Same, same as A350.

[TheFiend 1,181]

Still just on paper - No planes yet built, unlike the 787 which has several flying.

 

They might be flying...... but they are still having to modify the design as the testing continues.

 

Bit foolish building so many in advance of full certification........ airframes 4 to 22 are going to need rework before delivery.

 

The "nightmare" continues.

Edited June 17, 2010 by TheFiend

[bigdelta 46]

Boeing Completes First Flight of GE-Powered 787-Dreamliner-the fastest-selling new commercial jetliner in history.

 

EVERETT, Wash., June 16 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- The first Boeing (NYSE:BA - News) 787 Dreamliner with General Electric (GE) engines, the airplane referred to as ZA005, completed its first flight at 6:29 p.m. (Pacific time) today, following a 3-hour-and-48-minute flight over the state of Washington.

 

GE executives and Boeing employees were on hand to welcome Captains Mike Bryan and Mike Carriker to Boeing Field in Seattle following completion of the flight.

 

"The airplane handled just like I expected," said Bryan, who captained the flight. "It was just like every other 787 flight that I've flown in the last several months – smooth, per plan and excellent."

 

"We're pleased to introduce the fifth Dreamliner to the flight-test fleet and to start flight testing with GE engines," said Scott Fancher, vice president and general manager of the 787 program for Boeing Commercial Airplanes. "It's taken the collective resources and dedication of our teams to get to this day. There's just nothing like a first flight to validate that it has been worth the sacrifices we have all seen our teams make in the past several years."

 

ZA005 will be used to test the General Electric engine package and demonstrate that the changes made with the new engine do not change the airplane's handling characteristics.

 

The sixth, and final, 787 to join the flight test program is expected to fly before the end of July.

 

About the 787 Dreamliner

 

The 787 Dreamliner is an all-new twinjet designed to meet the needs of airlines around the world in providing nonstop service between mid-size cities with new levels of efficiency. The airplane will bring improved levels of comfort to passengers with larger windows, bigger baggage bins and advances in the cabin environment, including lower cabin altitude, higher humidity and cleaner air. Delivery of the first 787 is planned for the fourth quarter of 2010.

 

Fifty-six customers around the world have ordered 860 787s since the program was launched in April 2004, making the Dreamliner the fastest-selling new commercial jetliner in history.

[MrMango 665]

They might be flying...... but they are still having to modify the design as the testing continues.

Thats why they have a test program.

 

 

Bit foolish building so many in advance of full certification........ airframes 4 to 22 are going to need rework before delivery.

 

The "nightmare" continues.

No different than airbust. As I remember, they had scores of ships built, but had to extensively rework the wiring harnesses.

[CheshireTom 1,377]

As I remember, they had scores of ships built ...

 

No, they didn't.

[Samsonite 181]

...Bit foolish building so many in advance of full certification........ airframes 4 to 22 are going to need rework before delivery.

Old News, and as as been pointed out, several times now , that is the purpose of the testing program.

Edited June 17, 2010 by Samsonite

[TheFiend 1,181]

Old News, and as as been pointed out, several times now , that is the purpose of the testing program.

 

Yes, "old news" but it is noticeable how the 3 Stooges only post the "good" news and keep quiet about the problems the testing program uncovers...

 

According to the 3 Stooges testing is going great, but the reality is the testing have uncovered major flaws with Boeings design. The wing attachments and the rear stabiliser section are critical areas of the ariframe, and both areas have had to be redesigned.