Airbus and Boeing products running behind schedule

[CheshireTom 1,377]

Boeing has over 860, firm, ink on paper, orders for the 787.

 

How many A320s has Airbus delivered. Or how many 747s has Boeing delivered and how many are on order?

 

By the time deliveries start later this year ....

 

Where have I heard that before? You and your predictions.

 

At list prices, Boeing would have to only deliver 60 to break-even, but let us consider discounts and say they will break-even at 100 airframes, which means they should break-even by the end of the first year or year and a half following the start of deliveries. .

 

See! You're just as thick as Paddy in Philly. You forgot to take into account all the penalty payments they will have to make, so back to the abacus for you!

 

It depends on how fast they get up to building 7 to 10 a month. They are already building a second assembly line for the 787

 

It depends on a lot of things, including their rate of production.

Edited June 14, 2010 by CheshireTom

[Samsonite 181]

How many A320s has Airbus delivered. Or how many 747s has Boeing delivered and how many are on order?

And that has WHAT to do with it? Apples and oranges. Have you gone so completely native the truth doesn't mean anything to you anymore? Maybe you have been on the rice whiskey so long you can no longer tell one model from another?

 

If you want to compare apples to apples, Boeing has delivered more 737s than airbust has delivered 320s.

Boeing built and delivered over 1,400, 747s to date and there are over 100 on back order for the new

747-8 the first of which will be delivered later this year. The 747-8 has been offered for about 4 1/2 years now.

How many a380 have been ordered since it was first offered over ten years ago? 234. How many have been delivered in the last 2 1/2 years? About 28 or 29 to date.

 

 

....You forgot to take into account all the penalty payments they will have to make, so back to the abacus for you!

You wouldn't know an abacus if one where handed to you. I included all development and associated cost (penalty payments) and then almost double the number of aircraft that need to be sold to break-even and that number is about 100. Boeing will deliver that many in the first year or year and a half.

Edited June 14, 2010 by Samsonite

[TheFiend 1,181]

You are right, of course. I posted that my estimate was a guess,as I was too lazy to look up the actual numbers.

 

As for keeping up with the news, I guess that they are delivering so few ships, each timet hey do, makes the news.

 

Who wouda thunk that they would be up to one ship a month 5 years or so after the first scheduled delivery...

 

A380 deliveries are as newsworthy no, unless it's to a new Airline.

 

As for delivery rates..... An A380 is a wee bit bigger than the likes of an A320 or a B737, so they take a wee bit longer to build and outfit.

[CheshireTom 1,377]

You wouldn't know an abacus if one where handed to you. I included all development and associated cost (penalty payments) and then almost double the number of aircraft that need to be sold to break-even and that number is about 100. Boeing will deliver that many in the first year or year and a half.

 

And you're going to tell us what all these confidential figures are and you missed risk sharing partners = profit sharing partners. You have about as much clue as Bunky. Zero.

 

All you can do is estimate the total development costs, production costs, sales price, discounts, penalty payments etc etc and then stick you finger up your arse and hope that you can come up with some figure. You have about as much chance of being correct as my dog.

Edited June 14, 2010 by CheshireTom

[BigDUSA 71]

Err, in case you haven't noticed Boeing hasn't actually delivered any 787s, so it certainly hasn't surpassed the break-even point. It seems that you know as much about accounting as you do aircraft manufacturing, hotel reservations and flight bookings.

 

BTW, what is the break even point on the 787? Or don't you know that either?

 

Once again I get to LMAO at tommie. You can always tell when he's losing an argument. He starts with the personal attacks. Like I said once again, I get to LMAO at tommie.

[CheshireTom 1,377]

Once again I get to LMAO at tommie. You can always tell when he's losing an argument. He starts with the personal attacks. Like I said once again, I get to LMAO at tommie.

 

IOW, you don't know. There's a surprise.

[BigDUSA 71]

See! You're just as thick as Paddy in Philly.

 

Now tommie's reduced to making an ethnic slur. So sad.

[CheshireTom 1,377]

Now tommie's reduced to making an ethnic slur. So sad.

 

There's no slur when you're referring to a Plastic Paddy.

Edited June 14, 2010 by CheshireTom

[TheFiend 1,181]

There's no slur when you're referring to a Plastic Paddy.

 

And the USA is full of Plastic Paddy's!!!

[MrMango 668]

A380 deliveries are as newsworthy no, unless it's to a new Airline.

Can't you recognize Sarcasm when you read it? My point is that they deliver so few ships, each one is a newsworthy event.

 

 

As for delivery rates..... An A380 is a wee bit bigger than the likes of an A320 or a B737, so they take a wee bit longer to build and outfit.

Well, it's about the same size of a 747, and Boeing has built more than one a month.

 

Stop drinking the kool aid, and wake up - Airbus is finally managing to deliver a trickle of ships, which is OK, because they have such a small backlog. The program was NEVER going to be profitable when conceived, and certainly is not now.

[CheshireTom 1,377]

Can't you recognize Sarcasm when you read it? My point is that they deliver so few ships, each one is a newsworthy event.

 

Well, it's about the same size of a 747, and Boeing has built more than one a month.

 

747 deliveries so far this year - nil, zero, zilch.

[BigDUSA 71]

There's no slur when you're referring to a Plastic Paddy.

 

So lame and not unexpected from you. Sad man reduced to ethnic slurs.

[CheshireTom 1,377]

So lame and not unexpected from you. Sad man reduced to ethnic slurs.

 

You're the one claiming to be Irish yet slag off the Euros at every turn. You need to make your mind up. Irish = Euro.

[BigDUSA 71]

You're the one claiming to be Irish yet slag off the Euros at every turn. You need to make your mind up. Irish = Euro.

 

I don't engage in ethnic slurs like you do. Sad little fella.

Edited June 14, 2010 by BigDUSA

[TheFiend 1,181]

Boeing has 787 confirmed orders for the 787 airplane. All that matters is Boeing is very good at this. Compared to Airbus has 202 confirmed orders for the A380. Big difference in orders. Boeing is well past their break-even point and Airbus is well below their break-even point.

 

Does that number include the 25 that were recently cancelled?

[TheFiend 1,181]

747 deliveries so far this year - nil, zero, zilch.

 

A380 deliveries since 2008 = 29

 

747 deliveries since 2008 = 22........ and 14 of them were in 2008

 

Wee bit of a difference, isn't it Tommy?

[CheshireTom 1,377]

A380 deliveries since 2008 = 29

 

747 deliveries since 2008 = 22........ and 14 of them were in 2008

 

Wee bit of a difference, isn't it Tommy?

 

It's no wonder they're a bit shy about comparing apples with pommes.

[Samsonite 181]

It's no wonder they're a bit shy about comparing apples with pommes.

You two are just like a couple of bar girls, i.e., if their lips are moving....

You forgot to mention that 747-400 production ended about a year ago so Boeing could start building the new 747-8. The 747-8 is in test flight status now and deliveries will start latter this year. In the last couple of weeks new 747-8Fs have rolled out of the paint shop for Cargolux and Korean Air in their respective liveries.

Speaking of cargo, whatever happened to the a380f?

 

Edited June 15, 2010 by Samsonite

[CheshireTom 1,377]

and deliveries will start latter this year .....

 

LOL. That should be your signature.

[TheFiend 1,181]

You two are just like a couple of bar girls, i.e., if their lips are moving....

You forgot to mention that 747-400 production ended about a year ago so Boeing could start building the new 747-8. The 747-8 is in test flight status now and deliveries will start latter this year. In the last couple of weeks new 747-8Fs have rolled out of the paint shop for Cargolux and Korean Air in their respective liveries.

Speaking of cargo, whatever happened to the a380f?

 

How many of the passenger variant are on order? 32 isn't it?

 

As a passenger aircraft the 747 is a dinosaur, and on it's last legs.

[wacmedia 277]

Hi,

 

The number of the orders for the Nightmareliner are all hypothetical until they start delivering. No sign of that yet.

[wacmedia 277]

What's a "Nightmareliner" is that the name of the England World Cup Team?

 

Hi,

 

Backed USA on Asian H'cap.

 

Hi,

 

No problem for wac.

[BigDUSA 71]

You're the one claiming to be Irish yet slag off the Euros at every turn. You need to make your mind up. Irish = Euro.

 

Now tommie trying to blame me for his usage of the ethnic slur directed to wards me. I gotta laugh, tommie the guy who keeps bringing up my Irish heritage and he's trying to use that against me. I only slag off the Euros when it's justified.

[BigDUSA 71]

Speaking of cargo, whatever happened to the a380f?

 

EU taxpayer is getting tired of funding Airbus's latest 'white elephant'. Airbus had to ditch the program. For a company that's delivered over 5000 airplanes they still have to get out the begging bowl. Now that's sad. So sad.

[CheshireTom 1,377]

Now tommie trying to blame me for his usage of the ethnic slur directed to wards me. I gotta laugh, tommie the guy who keeps bringing up my Irish heritage and he's trying to use that against me.

 

That's the whole point of Plastic Paddies - they have as much claim to "Irish heritage" as my goldfish.

 

I only slag off the Euros when it's justified.

 

It seems silly to slag yourself off. You're the one boasting about your Euro passport. So, are you a Euro, or not? Simple question.

 

You can be sure that each time you slag off the Euros, I'll point out your status as a Plastic Paddy.

Edited June 15, 2010 by CheshireTom