Airbus and Boeing products running behind schedule

[CheshireTom 1,377]

Now, I know why BigD started the Boeing V Comet thread. It was a diversion from this one.

 

Good try bigD,

 

It's just an extension of his "we saved your asses" mentality.

 

Anyway, it looks like you'll get the 787 in time for the Olympics. There again, maybe not.

 

 

Boeing set to announce seventh 787 delay

 

By Geoffrey Thomas | November 22, 2010

 

[uPDATED] Boeing is set to announce a seventh delay in its 787 program, possibly pushing delivery out by up to nine months to the fourth quarter of 2011, after the inflight electrical fire to its ZA002 on Nov. 9 (ATW Daily News, Nov. 17).

 

On Thursday, Air Lease Corp. founder and CEO Steven Udvar-Hazy, who ordered and was the largest customer for the 787 when he was Chairman and CEO of ILFC, told Bloomberg at the ALTA Airline Leaders Forum in Panama City that the 787 will “definitely” be postponed a seventh time. “It’s a big setback for Boeing,” Udvar-Hazy said.

 

Boeing has now flown ZA001 and ZA005 back to Seattle from Rapid City, S.D. and Victorville, Calif., and is continuing with ground testing of the 787.

 

The company is tight-lipped on the status of the investigation but insiders at Qantas engineering told ATW they understand there is a “significant problem” and first delivery [to ANA] will be the “end of 2011.”

[CheshireTom 1,377]

Edited November 22, 2010 by CheshireTom

[nidnoyham 30]

On a sort of serious side, do you think we are getting the quality of engineering people, we once had ? This dumbing down of exam results in recent years, may be filtering through to the work place.

 

Remember when Rolls Royce had trouble with their RB211 engines fans ? The company called people back from retirement to sort it out.

 

A Butcher I once worked with would often say " To find another Butcher as good as me, you would have to dig him up from the Grave yard ! " He's in there himself now.

 

Even the quality of my generation of workers at Air Canada, who retired with me, have been replaced by lower paid and less able staff. That is what those still there tell me.

 

Cheap labour- The curse of the country ?

[MrMango 670]

On a sort of serious side, do you think we are getting the quality of engineering people, we once had ? This dumbing down of exam results in recent years, may be filtering through to the work place.

 

Cheap labour- The curse of the country ?

Interesting thought.

 

You may be right aobut the Engineering talent, but I fail to see ANY correlation between wages paid and ability.

[BigDUSA 71]

It's just an extension of his "we saved your asses" mentality.

 

Anyway, it looks like you'll get the 787 in time for the Olympics. There again, maybe not.

 

 

Boeing set to announce seventh 787 delay

 

By Geoffrey Thomas | November 22, 2010

 

[uPDATED] Boeing is set to announce a seventh delay in its 787 program, possibly pushing delivery out by up to nine months to the fourth quarter of 2011, after the inflight electrical fire to its ZA002 on Nov. 9 (ATW Daily News, Nov. 17).

 

On Thursday, Air Lease Corp. founder and CEO Steven Udvar-Hazy, who ordered and was the largest customer for the 787 when he was Chairman and CEO of ILFC, told Bloomberg at the ALTA Airline Leaders Forum in Panama City that the 787 will “definitely” be postponed a seventh time. “It’s a big setback for Boeing,” Udvar-Hazy said.

 

Boeing has now flown ZA001 and ZA005 back to Seattle from Rapid City, S.D. and Victorville, Calif., and is continuing with ground testing of the 787.

 

The company is tight-lipped on the status of the investigation but insiders at Qantas engineering told ATW they understand there is a “significant problem” and first delivery [to ANA] will be the “end of 2011.”

 

Yes the 787 program is in the TEST phase where the A380 is in the commercial phase. BTW the USA did save the UK ass twice in the last century.

[BigDUSA 71]

European aircraft maker Airbus said yesterday it would seek compensation from Rolls Royce after one of the British manufacturer's engines failed on a Qantas Airbus A380 superjumbo.

 

"We will seek financial compensation from Rolls Royce," an Airbus spokesman said.

 

"Our production is currently far from normal" and Airbus is incurring additional costs because of the problem with the engine, he said.

 

Advertisement: Story continues below The spokesman did not give any figures.

 

In London, a Rolls Royce spokesman said the company had "no comment" to make on the Airbus statement.

 

Qantas of Australia said earlier Thursday that Rolls-Royce could have replace up to 40 engines on A380 superjumbos operated by various airlines.

 

"Rolls may have to look at replacing up to 40 engines across the entire A380 fleet," a Qantas spokeswoman told AFP.

 

Qantas grounded its six A380s powered by Rolls Royce Trent 900 engines after one was forced to make an emergency landing in Singapore on November 4 after one blew out.

 

Rolls Royce said last week that the failure of a "specific component in the turbine area of the engine" caused the fire and mid-air blowout on the Qantas flight shortly after it took off for Sydney.

 

In the wake of the emergency, the European Aviation Safety Agency ordered airlines to carry out new inspections of the Rolls-Royce engines.

 

The double-decker A380, which carries 525 passengers and weighs 560 tonnes at takeoff, was hailed as the future of long-haul aviation at its commercial launch in 2007.

 

Earlier Thursday, German flag carrier Lufthansa said it would change a second Rolls-Royce engine on one of its four Airbus A380s.

 

Singapore Airlines (SIA), which operates 11 of the planes, said that it was inspecting the Rolls-Royce engines on its A380s and would replace them if advised to do so by the manufacturers.

 

"Under this inspection regime, as and when engines need to be replaced as advised by our manufacturers, we have been doing so and will continue to do so, to ensure the safe and continuous operation of the fleet," SIA said.

 

Air France and Emirates also operate the A380 but their aircraft are powered by engines made by the Engine Alliance, a consortium of General Electric, Pratt & Whitney and Safran, which are not affected.

 

Airbus head Thomas Enders said last week that the engine problem will affect deliveries of the A380.

 

"I do expect that this ... will impact deliveries, especially in 2011," because of checks on and recommended replacements to some engines, Enders said, without giving a specific figure.

 

At the same time, "the reputation of this aircraft will remain untarnished and will even increase in the years ahead," he added.

 

AFP

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Another week and the hits just keep on coming for Rolls Royce.

[nidnoyham 30]

Well, the SQ 380, took off from LHR today in the same way it has taken off for quite a while now.

 

We haven't seen a 787 to compare the two yet.

 

Herb is 5yo already, he hopes to live to see the day.

[CheshireTom 1,377]

Yes the 787 program is in the TEST phase where the A380 is in the commercial phase. BTW the USA did save the UK ass twice in the last century.

 

Quite. Let's move the goalposts.

 

 

 

Edited November 22, 2010 by CheshireTom

[BigDUSA 71]

Berlin - European aviation regulators on Monday refocused their directive to check the engines on Airbus 380 planes, turning instead to the oil tubes that lubricate the Rolls-Royce Trent 900 engine.

 

The Trent 900 has been in the spotlight ever since one caught fire on a Qantas A380 on November 4, blowing off a casing, damaging a wing and control lines and leading to an emergency landing in Singapore.

 

The European Aviation Safety Agency in Cologne, Germany said it was revising its November 10 emergency airworthiness directive to world airlines to check the engines every 20 flight cycles.

 

The first directive required mechanics to check four parts of the engine: turbine blades, a case drain, an air buffer cavity and oil service tubes in order to detect any abnormal oil leakage.

 

The second directive says mechanics now only have to do close study of the latter two parts: the air buffer cavity and oil tubes.

 

"The incident investigation has progressed and inspection data from in-service engines has been gathered and analysed. The results of this analysis show the need to amend the inspection procedure," EASA said in the revised statement.

 

A spokesman said the incident investigation was still continuing.

 

"The requirements ... are considered interim action as the investigation led by the Australian Transport Safety Bureau (has) yet to deliver its final conclusions," the statement said.

 

Rolls-Royce has said that the failure was confined to a component in the turbine.

Posted by Earth Times Staff

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[TheFiend 1,181]

Notice how the Boeing fan-boys have been very quiet about the 767 Engine fire that happened on a Delta flight over the weekend!!!

 

And it suffered a "tail strike" on landing.....

 

Bet there was some clean underpants needed for those passengers!!!

[jacko 8,814]

Cheap labour- The curse of the country ?

Well the next curse is well on the way, that of outsourcing.....

When the engines are being made in China, where of course cheap labour is also the norm, they will be dropping out of the sky.

 

So many great old names now sport 'made in China'... like my Sony Ericsson phone that I thought was made in Japan or Sweden that packed in recently..... made in China.

[joekicker 53]

Well the next curse is well on the way, that of outsourcing.....

When the engines are being made in China, where of course cheap labour is also the norm, they will be dropping out of the sky.

 

Oh, jacko, you cynic. Boeing would never outsource the engines to China. They only outsource the stabiliser and leading wing edges to China.

 

I swear to Kahd almighty I could not make this stuff up.

 

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[MrMango 670]

Well the next curse is well on the way, that of outsourcing.....

When the engines are being made in China, where of course cheap labour is also the norm, they will be dropping out of the sky.

 

So many great old names now sport 'made in China'... like my Sony Ericsson phone that I thought was made in Japan or Sweden that packed in recently..... made in China.

Just like me - Maybe I should have a tattoo that says made in China...

[nidnoyham 30]

Didn't one of the Space Shuttles blow up on take off, due to a small component made in Taiwan, that failed ?

 

Many British companies are now boasting All British call centers. The outsourcing to India didn't suit the consumer.....

 

The George in Staines, has replaced its surly European bar staff with English ones. Their refusing to serve a blind man with his guide dog making the local press, didn't help and a local hotel has replaced it's Polish staff with English people.

 

Perhaps the pendulum is swinging back ?

Edited November 24, 2010 by nidnoyham

[monkeyspanker 0]

Message from Skippy.

 

Dear Mr xxxxx Your Frequent Flyer number: xxxxxxxx

Current points balance: xxxxxxx

 

I am pleased to advise that Qantas will resume A380 services, commencing with an initial A380 service to London via Singapore on Saturday 27 November.

 

We have undertaken a rigorous inspection program in conjunction with Rolls Royce and Airbus to ensure the fleet is ready to return to service.

 

We always put safety first, and we continue to take a conservative approach to the reintroduction of the A380 fleet. So we will initially operate the A380 between Australia and the United Kingdom. As more A380s come into service, we will assess when and how best to deploy them.

 

I want to assure you that we have full confidence in our A380 aircraft fleet, and will not fly any individual aircraft unless we are completely sure that it is safe to do so.

 

Qantas has six A380s in its fleet, and is scheduled to take delivery of two new A380s before the end of this year, and a further two next year. With our fleet of more than 250 aircraft, we are able to maintain a full international and domestic network, so you can book and fly with us with confidence.

 

I want to thank you for your loyalty and patience. On behalf of all of us at Qantas we deeply regret any inconvenience. We look forward to welcoming you warmly when next you fly.

 

 

 

ALAN JOYCE

[MrMango 670]

Didn't one of the Space Shuttles blow up on take off, due to a small component made in Taiwan, that failed ?

Don't know that, but so what? Plenty of US rockets have blown up using American parts. Thats the worst straw argument I have ever herd.

 

 

Many British companies are now boasting All British call centers. The outsourcing to India didn't suit the consumer.....

 

The George in Staines, has replaced its surly European bar staff with English ones. Their refusing to serve a blind man with his guide dog making the local press, didn't help and a local hotel has replaced it's Polish staff with English people.

 

Perhaps the pendulum is swinging back ?

Maybe. As the poor world gets richer, there is less incentive to outsource, which is a good thing.

[CheshireTom 1,377]

Obviously the head honcho at Qatar Airways shouldn't have listened to Scally's on time, to spec and within budget nonsense.

 

 

Boeing Dreamliner 'a failure', says Qatar Airways boss

 

The chief executive of Qatar Airways has criticised Boeing over delays to the 787 Dreamliner, reportedly saying that it has "clearly failed".

 

Akbar Al Baker said he had been "taken aback" by the problems that have plagued the delivery of the aircraft, the Reuters news agency reported.

 

Meanwhile, Boeing has announced it is revising its schedule after a fire on a test flight earlier this month.

 

It had hoped to begin delivering the plane at the start of next year.

 

'Foreign debris'

 

Production of 787s is about three years behind schedule, with delays mainly a result of the supply and fitting of parts.

 

A test flight had to be aborted on 9 November after a fire broke out on board. Boeing has blamed a piece of "foreign debris" in a power panel.

 

Qatar Airways has ordered a minimum of 30 Dreamliners, with the first due to be delivered in the last quarter of next year.

 

 

Mr Al Baker was also dismissive of the Bombardier C-Series planes

Speaking at a news conference in Paris, Mr Al Baker said he had not expected such delays from Boeing, because the US-based company had "pride in its quality".

 

"They have very clearly failed," he added.

 

He added that Qatar Airways was considering buying more Airbus A380s on top of the five already ordered from Boeing's arch-rival.

[wacmedia 277]

He added that Qatar Airways was considering buying more Airbus A380s on top of the five already ordered from Boeing's arch-rival.[/i]

 

Hi,

 

Good news. When is the 787 really going to be in operation?

[CheshireTom 1,377]

Hi,

 

Good news. When is the 787 really going to be in operation?

 

About the same time as D's 'Big Move', I suspect.

[TheFiend 1,181]

Hi,

 

Good news. When is the 787 really going to be in operation?

 

Do you mean the 7LATE7????

[TheFiend 1,181]

Production of 787s is about three years behind schedule, with delays mainly a result of the supply and fitting of parts.

 

A test flight had to be aborted on 9 November after a fire broke out on board. Boeing has blamed a piece of "foreign debris" in a power panel.

 

"Foreign debris"..... LOL....

 

Yet again Boeing use the slippery shoulder technique to put the blame on somebody/something else than themselves. The fact is Boeings safety systems failed when a problem arose. Electrical equipment should be designed to stop problems like this occurring. Things like short circuits and fires are preventable by design.

[Samsonite 181]

Boeing's biggest problem is senior management. Not middle managers, but those in the executive suite at H.Q. Any executive left over from McDonnell/Douglas should be placed in a position where he can't do anymore damage and those Boeing trained (prior to the merger) executives

with engineering backgrounds should be brought out of retirement to turn the company around.

Edited November 26, 2010 by Samsonite

[CheshireTom 1,377]

Boeing's biggest problem is senior management. Not middle managers, but those in the executive suite at H.Q. Any executive left over from McDonnell/Douglas should be placed in a position where he can't do anymore damage and those Boeing trained (prior to the merger) executives

with engineering backgrounds should be brought out of retirement to turn the company around.

 

LOL. The Blame Game continues ...

[Samsonite 181]

LOL. The Blame Game continues ...

No one left to blame, genius, but those who orchestrated this disaster. You could place

a good portion of the blame on the boy wonder from Boeing, now at Ford, who approved the

cataclysmic worldwide supply and assembly chain for the 787.

Had the the major components been designed, built and joined as they have with all previous Boeing

aircraft, it probably would have been put in service with little to no delay.

Edited November 27, 2010 by Samsonite

[TheFiend 1,181]

No one left to blame, genius, but those who orchestrated this disaster. You could place

a good portion of the blame on the boy wonder from Boeing, now at Ford, who approval the

cataclysmic worldwide supply and assembly chain for the 787.

Had the the major components been designed, built and joined as they have with all previous Boeing

aircraft, it probably would have been put in service with little to no delay.

 

The blame game continues.....