HELP would you ......

[alan lad 0]

hi guys

 

well from time to time i get a problem that i think i know what i should do ,but asking others helps .

 

Please guys dont give me to much shit about this after all i am trying to give you my guest a better service and what you have to say helps me do that .

 

Ok i have a hostess girl who has just started working with me in the last 3 days . She is VERY good looking ,but here is the problem !

 

I was told my some guys tonight that she is telling them that she has a boy friend and will not bar fine !!

 

She also like to ask for drinks and while she is not pushy is not shy as well.

 

Now i have just found this out so i still have to check things some more ,but as a rule i dont have girls in my bar who dont bar fine .

 

what would you do

 

alan

[cecco 0]

hi guys

 

well from time to time i get a problem that i think i know what i should do ,but asking others helps .

 

Please guys dont give me to much shit about this after all i am trying to give you my guest a better service and what you have to say helps me do that .

 

Ok i have a hostess girl who has just started working with me in the last 3 days . She is VERY good looking ,but here is the problem !

 

I was told my some guys tonight that she is telling them that she has a boy friend and will not bar fine !!

 

She also like to ask for drinks and while she is not pushy is not shy as well.

 

Now i have just found this out so i still have to check things some more ,but as a rule i dont have girls in my bar who dont bar fine .

 

what would you do

 

alan

 

 

 

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if this is her, she doesn't even have ID, she left it in her country.

 

 

 

actually, the mamason is not exactly truth telling either.

 

 

 

also, even with steve at my seat, and asking the mamason to help me meet a girl, not a single girl came to talk to us for over an hour.

 

 

 

shane, u need to raise your voice in your meeting.

[Dave16 1]

If she won't barfine that is up to her I think but she should not be soliciting lady drinks from people who think they can take her out.

I think the system needs to change. Green labels are for girls who will go with customers and red labels for service staff who will also sometimes go with customers or sometimes not. This is confusing and leads to annoyance on the part of customers who are misled into buying drinks for nothing except a smile and thank you.

Perhaps there should be a new category of black label for girls who will not go with customers under any circumstances and then it is up to a guy whether he wants to buy her a drink or not.

At present, make this girl wear a label indicating she is not a goer or keep her behind the bar out of bounds. If she is attractive then you do not want to get rid of her because she will be able to bring in customers who just want a bit of eye candy while having a drink.

I have read many posts from guys who buy girls drinks then find out the girl is not interested. It leads to bad feeling and may result in the bar losing customers long term. It has to be stamped out although in the final analysis it is always the girl's choice if she wants to go with a particular customer or not. I dn't think there is an easy answer but my previous suggestion would help, I think.

[cecco 0]

If she won't barfine that is up to her I think but she should not be soliciting lady drinks from people who think they can take her out.

I think the system needs to change. Green labels are for girls who will go with customers and red labels for service staff who will also sometimes go with customers or sometimes not. This is confusing and leads to annoyance on the part of customers who are misled into buying drinks for nothing except a smile and thank you.

Perhaps there should be a new category of black label for girls who will not go with customers under any circumstances and then it is up to a guy whether he wants to buy her a drink or not.

At present, make this girl wear a label indicating she is not a goer or keep her behind the bar out of bounds. If she is attractive then you do not want to get rid of her because she will be able to bring in customers who just want a bit of eye candy while having a drink.

I have read many posts from guys who buy girls drinks then find out the girl is not interested. It leads to bad feeling and may result in the bar losing customers long term. It has to be stamped out although in the final analysis it is always the girl's choice if she wants to go with a particular customer or not. I dn't think there is an easy answer but my previous suggestion would help, I think.

 

 

 

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Dave: Please tell steve this !!! I just told him this very thing tonight. Maybe if you tell him yourself, he will let it sink in, and actually implement the color coding.

 

 

 

this particular gal, DID barfine long long time. But wanted to go to karaoke then go home later. she wanted to get a free "drunk" from me, and bail.

 

 

 

she slept, fully clothed, until 4:30 am on my couch.

 

 

 

the mamason asked for a drink for herself before the girl left because she guaranteed she knew the girl for a long time, and me as well, and she was a sweet girl who wanted a relationship.

 

 

 

The girl said she didn't want to work on walking street, and went with me because she wants a boyfriend to get her off of walking street.

 

 

 

she also said she left her id in another country.

 

 

 

I offered to go home to get her id, where her mom lives, but she said it was "in my country." (she speaks english fine).

 

 

 

also, the mamason was clear to me the girl understood after 11 am the next day, and the mamason was sooooooo clear, but last night she told steve that the girl only wanted short time. But I told the mamason infront of shane, nights before, I ONLY go long time, no short time.

 

 

 

Actually, of ALL the guys I talk to, most want nothing to do with short time girls, or short time experiences. we only want girls who want relationships ...

 

 

 

the mamason asks for drinks because she says she is helping you. one night the mamason sat at the table and asked for a drink. I asked if she would sit and talk with me and help me find a girl, she said she would.

 

 

 

as soon as she got her drink, she got up and said she had to walk around. she moved to another seat. Now, remember, 100 baht is about 6 hours salary for a thai. so if we give her a 100 baht drink for her help, we should get a suitable amount of service for buying her the drink. We are in fact employing her. we don't go to bars to get drunk, ulcers, or lose brain cells. We go because we like girls and want to meet one or two.

 

 

 

But this mamason just leaves the customers sitting alone! Even when the manager asks her to help, she just went and sat in the corner and never returned!

 

 

 

This type of customer service is what will kill any business. Its not shane, or justin, or steve .. they are really great guys, of the highest calibre. But it is the staff that interract with customers who alienate customers.

 

 

 

The original living dolls is suffering because of top level management. N. L D # 1 is well managed at the top, but the girls and momasons are indifferent to the customers, and just plain rude. The girl in this post is a waitress, and 26 years old, so she should have a clue.

 

 

 

A few nights ago I put B20 on the stage behind dancer #48. She just ignored me. she wouldn't even look at me! so i thought if i put money on the stage she would smile. The girl behind her picked it up and handed it to her, but she ignored the girl, later the 20 baht fell to the floor under feet again, and again she ignored the 20 baht and me. Then the girl behind her picked it up, at her request, and handed it to the service people as a TIP! Totally insulting me. When Shane querried about this event, #48 and the staff had no idea what he was talking about. Again, insulting me.

 

 

 

Thai women can NOT attack the grengjai of a man. It just cannot be.

 

 

 

Cliff

Edited August 23, 2007 by cecco

[mws1234 0]

I think you have to have a policy and stick with it. No exceptions. That's business.

 

Of course, you can't and shouldn't force a girl to go with just anyone or someone they don't want to, but it sounds like it's her policy not to be barfined. That is not your policy.

 

IMO, she can't continue to work there. Should be made clear to everyone before they're hired.

 

It's only fair to customers and the other employees.

[ozijeff 9]

i think you need to be careful. her attitude could spread through your venue like a cancer.

if the other girls see her making a good wage by not being barfined, others may follow that line of thinking.

could be the thin edge of the wedge!

[BKKsaint 1]

She gets shown the door, I'm afraid. There's really NO POINT in having a girl who doesn't BF at your place.

 

-BKKsaint

[riverspot 0]

I once went to a bar in Bangkok - spent an hour or so buying drinks, food to a delectable miss only to be told by the young lady that she .."never went with customers". All signs - dress etc indicated she was available. No way of knowing unless she was buzzed immediately upon entering the place. I think that it was the management's responsibility to make information like this clear or not to employ young ladies like this. The trading deficiency is like a butcher displaying fillet steak in the window and then providing only vegie patties because the meat is only for display. I have not been back to the bar since that time.

[soi6 0]

send her to work at FLB where she can wear a badge indicating she does not go with customers.

 

You'll have customers that are upset who buy her drinks only to find out she doesn't barfine, more hassle

than it is worth to have one girl like this, next thing you know others will begin to follow suit and you'll

have a bar full of girls only wanting guys to buy them drinks and no barfines. This would degrade your business and lead to problems.

 

Only other bar I know of that has girls who won't go with customers is the Atlantic Bar, and those girls where different badges to identify their availability.

[Sa-teef 44]

As long as the girl is hostess, bartender, service or a hello girl I don't see an issue. Most guys realize that the service may or may not be in the game. But just don't ever let her near a chrome pole! THAT can piss off a whole lot of guys when dancers (like the place down the road) don't go. Well, it does me I should say. Being choosy is their right. If they are just there to dance and for decoration put some Christmas bulbs on her for the three weeks before Christmas and then kick her ass out after New Years!

 

 

~Sa-teef

[boogey_knight 0]

I am pretty sure that all the TGs who wants to work in bars knows the game. So every one of them should be available for BF. If they do not want to go with a customer, then they should be blacklisted with a black tag. This will let all parties involved know the status of that meeting. Then it's up to customers if they still want to buy her a LD just for her company in the bar. If no black tag, all are fair game.

[Eneukman 1]

If this girl doesn't want to be barfined, then she should perhaps be given a job as a service girl - presumably with a lower rate of pay.

 

Alan

[alan lad 0]

hi guys

 

Hi Cliff

 

mate this is not the girl i am taking about !! Also no good you telling Dave to talk with steve hes not the boss!

 

Cliff its getting such that we have to clear up a few things here ,the girl in your photo did want to go long time (but some thing happened after).

 

BUT mate please NO ONE is going to have a relationship after one 30 min drink and a night out ,she may have forgoten her ID (we have it on file as with all girls) ,but it will take a lot more than this to want to take you home to see the folks.

 

After all would you take some one home to meet your family that you just met the night before ?

 

Mumason and buying her drinks PLEASE if it upsets you dont do it !! NO YOU DONT EMPLOY HER BE THAT FOR 5 MIN or 5 HOURs mate all you did is buy her a drink ,out of which she gets 50 bt. Plus you have been telling on her to people above her ,now you ex[ect her to help you ?? Mate if some did this to you at your job would you help them when they asked for help ?

 

Girl and the tip ,mate if you dont hand it to her ,why would she think it is for her + you could just as easy upset her as she might think you did not want to touch her ,or some thing like this .

 

NOW BACK TO THE THREAD

 

i want to see a bit more as to what she is working like before i make a move ,but in the past all girls that are not service girls have to be free to go with a guy .

 

With service i did code then before only problem was that i was the only one who understood this . Trying to tell every one was hard work.

 

alan

[rockinjerry 2]

cecco:

 

I'm not slamming you, but I have read a lot of your postings on different topics, some of which you your self started. We have never met, but I must say I have found the general gist of your post deal with problems you are having with the ladies.

 

Just possibly, has the thoguht ever occurred to you that the problem might be you?

 

In my years on this board, I have never heard of one man having the continuing problems that you have.

 

Just because these go-go ladies are willing to go with men this doesn't mean that they have to go with a man that they would rather not be with. And, if it possible that you are making requests of them, that haven't been discussed beforehand, after you two are back at your room, I can understand why some of the ladies might want to leave or sleep on the couch.

 

Maybe a total change of location would be more to your advantage, say another country other than Thailand for mongering?

[Dave16 1]

Alan

 

I'll be in Patts in January. If you are still having a problem with this girl I am happy to play the role of "mystery customer" and try to barfine her. I would let you have a full report the next day as to whether she is worth keeping. My fees are very reasonable.

Seriously, I have never been in your establishment (I have no idea who Steve is) but will seek it out on my next trip.

Hope your problems disappear as quickly as baht in a monger's pocket.

[Sa-teef 44]

I think it is flat out foolish and wrong to assume ALL LADIES who work in a bar are good to go.

 

There are enough wives and girlfriends of falang and thai bar owners who work service jobs of one sort or another in ago-gos and beer bars to make this idea plain silly. In realty she's likely the one who's name is on the lease and the licenses if you want to know the truth, except in the cases where they have a properly formed corporation and have legal right to have falang employees. And even then, the Thai attorney or his representative is likely the one with the license.

 

It's nice that you ask the mongers on a forum and it's not that I wish to spend more of your money Alan, but..

 

".... i have a hostess girl who has just started working with me ..."

 

but perhaps you might consider red name tags for the "non-going" staff since it seems to be an idea that is spreading?

 

Something to consider anyway.

 

 

~Sa-teef

[torrenova 644]

So before we had go-go girls, deck serves, cashiers and a mamasan. All the go-go girls went off.

 

Now they want 10 different categories of girls and in many places it is a way to charge OTT barfines. The thing is that punters expect them to put out.

 

If you go begging for drinks, you should go. It is the same as a girl begging and then saying she is on the rag when the guy want to take her out. She should tell the guy first, he may still barfine her for a BJ !

 

Stick a tag on them aka FLB ? perhaps. Just not having them makes it easier.

 

The reputation of some girls and go-go girls in particular due to the loony salaries which bosses are paying in going LT and then changing it into ST at their discretion is still out of control. Having a bird who lets on that she is available, begs drinks and then maybe has the mamasan in on the act or begging as well causes more problems than the extra business she brings.

 

I reckon if I had such a large place with many other staff able to cover her position and had in place a policy which she does not adhere to then she would have already received the order of the boot and this thread would be unnecessary.

[alan lad 0]

hi guys

 

Sorry for not looking at this since i posted it ,and i thank all of you for your input .

 

I am off the hook for a few days as she has gone home till the second of the next mth.

 

 

 

I have asked this so i can look at the feed back and work out what to do ,with both my guests and my staff in mind.

 

Do girls in my bar have to go with guys NO THEY DONT but having said that i believe that if they are in a job that looks like they should be able to go with some one THEN THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO GO its then up to them if they go or not !

 

Girls in my bar have NO MIN any thing and as i have said before DONT get cut this way.

 

I dont wish to have a guy misslead in anyway ,even by buying LDs . Yes she should tell a guy that she has a boyfriend (i dont know if he is Thai or western BUT this should make no diff ) and aas such wont bar fine BUT will she always do this ? I dont think this will happen all the time.

 

I also worry that she will have a affect on other girls who then might think they can start the same thing , this again is not good for my guests (it is not about going or not going its about being ripped off by not being informed)

 

I how ever also have a good feeling towards the girl for NOT WANTING TO BAR FINE as i think this is good to see (no matter how long it lasts )

 

Is there another job i can give her ? no she does not want to work service ,so i am stuck.

 

I how ever out of this might bring in the red number bit and make it for service as well ,this way making it a bit clearer for all .

 

Guys thank you again for all your feed back ,this was a hard one for me . I did not want to have any of my staff tricking any guests in any way /the other side was it was GREAT TO SEE A GIRL WHO DID NOT WANT TO FUCK AROUND and as such i wanted to give her a job.

 

alan

Edited August 26, 2007 by alan lad

[torrenova 644]

So she wants to do a job which is according to your previous post one where the girl gets barfined and puts out.

 

in the past all girls that are not service girls have to be free to go with a guy .

 

So why change the rules and introduce all the argument for this one girl ? Either she works and fucks or she works as service. Why try and create yet another type of worker and confuse an already bewildering array of names even more ?

 

I don't see the confusion above that which need not be there.

[Sa-teef 44]

So she wants to do a job which is according to your previous post one where the girl gets barfined and puts out.

So why change the rules and introduce all the argument for this one girl ? Either she works and fucks or she works as service. Why try and create yet another type of worker and confuse an already bewildering array of names even more ?

I don't see the confusion above that which need not be there.

 

That makes a lot of sense to me.

It's the reason I seldom frequent that place up the street from you with similar initials?

It's a "show bar" where a fair few of the lookers dance but don't go.

You don't need the hassle and the ill will generated by this problem.

 

 

 

~Sa-teef

[Big_Brian 179]

Alan,

Here's my 2 satang worth;

If a girl doesn't want to go with ME that's OK, I'm not exactly a maidens dream, the next one will go, or the next..... But a girl who doesn't go at all shouldn't be working bar - I can go into any bar in the UK to find girls who DON'T go, I come to Pattaya to be among those who DO.

 

If she's a waitress, serving girl, cashier or suchlike, that's fine; we all know that most of them don't go unless they want to. However if she's a bar girl or gogo dancer - and earning the money that goes with that - then she should be rentable, that's what the job is all about after all. If she doesn't like that, well then there are other jobs.

 

My recommendation; offer her the choice of a servers uniform or the door.

 

 

It could be a bit like tips under the garters, someone started it and now there's no avoiding it. We (speaking as a monger) do not want the idea that it's acceptable to work bar but not go with customers to take root. Given the speed with which ideas spread in Pattaya, we could end up with a LOT of that in a couple of years.

[tingtongtony 151]

OK if she will not BF then give her the BOOT tell her go FLB & have red badge then. Whos boss then they will all want to do this then you will have problem.

[cecco 0]

OK if she will not BF then give her the BOOT tell her go FLB & have red badge then. Whos boss then they will all want to do this then you will have problem.

 

 

 

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i just think the concept of long time and short time should be clear. in all the bars. Will she go long time or not should be very clear. all to often the first thing u hear is "do u want to buy her a drink," and i never go to a bar to buy drinks, i always go to barfine.

 

 

 

re: the guy who suggested I go to another place to monger. This is silly.

 

 

 

i am part of braniff's original development team of 1978 in thailand. geesh, i have here for 30 years, almost, and this year is not going well. it's not that i can't get a girl, it's that quality i want, all wants short time.

 

 

 

what happened with that waitress, heck, i don't know !!

 

 

 

does pattaya have bad luck streaks too for some of us? I mean, girls hit on me all night, not in NLD1, no girls even talk to me in there, but the rest of the bars they do, but geesh, ......... i am going to get drunk tonight.

 

 

 

i have stress lately.

 

This is mom, she loves me a lot. i am alone right now, it's 4:15 am, i think i will wake her up and call her. she is not in pats.

Edited August 27, 2007 by cecco

[Emil 0]

The last thing I want is to have a BG with me that doesn't really want to be with me so I have no problem with one that doesn't want to be barfined. What I do have a problem with is one that appears to want to be with me and leads me on. I don't want to waste my time or baht on a BG that wont go with me unless they make it clear upfront like the Red Badges. I would like to see the Red Badges used more extensively like when they are also on the rag or have already been barfined by a punter but are just waiting for him to return.

 

I don't like the quota systems that some places use. I would think that a basic salary for all dancers and then a bonus above that based on the number of barfines they have in a month would be better. That way if all they want to do is dance then they could do that and as many bar owners have previously stated that they can't afford to have all their dancers gone early, this would solve that problem. Since the barfine recoups part of their wages if they didn't barfine then they should receive a lower wage than the dancers that do go.