Child Thief ring around WS

[bolly 0]

Here is the link

 

http://www.pattaya-addicts.com/forum/Child...ifs-t40713.html

 

 

basically around 12am a group of very young kids are brought into the WS are and the area around the old Insomnia (soi marine plaza)

 

they do the old---selling something and try to hug you then steal what ever their fingers can grab.

 

Be warned and be careful.

 

Hopefully someone in town will tell the BIB.

[joekicker 53]

Good! The police have never heard of child pickpockets I'm sure.

 

bolly, there's no reason not to warn - any valid warning is a good warning, no matter how old. But this is just another example of a tired, old scam that started the day after Eve told him to eat the apple or there would be no puxxy.

[sailingbill 1,034]

I try to give something to the kids, but this just ends up labeling you as a dope. So i let the TG deal with it, sometimes she gives money, most times not. The most useful phrase i learned from my Thai teacher was

"please do not touch my body". I dont remember the translation now but i'll post it. The kids hear that in Thai and move on to easier marks.

Giving to the orphanage is merit all us mongers should make imho.

[bruiser 0]

I try to give something to the kids, but this just ends up labeling you as a dope. So i let the TG deal with it, sometimes she gives money, most times not. The most useful phrase i learned from my Thai teacher was

"please do not touch my body". I dont remember the translation now but i'll post it. The kids hear that in Thai and move on to easier marks.

Giving to the orphanage is merit all us mongers should make imho.

 

Very good and sound advice Bill

Even if you do give money to Kids on street it only encourages practice.Far better to give to Orphange as this money will do so much more good for greater numbers.

BTY a mate had money lifted in same scam .Only it was in 1987 in Manila,so it must still work ,Be watchful Guys

[bolly 0]

Good! The police have never heard of child pickpockets I'm sure.

 

bolly, there's no reason not to warn - any valid warning is a good warning, no matter how old. But this is just another example of a tired, old scam that started the day after Eve told him to eat the apple or there would be no puxxy.

 

 

Upon reading my OP, it comes across as rather naive. Just how the words fell out of my head around midnight. But I know full well the child pickpocket scams around the world.

 

We have all had the experiences with the kids selling stuff--but I have personally never had one go for the pockets. That is what made this story stand out. It seems this particular group is focused on stealing and will go straight for the pockets.

 

As for the police---I am sure they are aware, but it is always good to voice truth to power.

[jacko 8,814]

I wouldn't worry to much bolly.... a warning that there is a gang currently in operation is appreciated.

If they are a success, another outlet may be considered!

 

Add it to my list with the katoeys to beware of.

I recall being similarly swamped in Manila, there were so many of them it's hard to defend your property without wanting to bang some heads.

Whether the police are aware seems irrelevant, they seem to prefer getting involved after the event rather than a preventative presence.

[joekicker 53]

Whether the police are aware seems irrelevant, they seem to prefer getting involved after the event rather than a preventative presence.

 

But it's not that simple a choice.

 

If you provide that preventative presence, you're a bully who should be out catching real criminals - since no one has broken the law after all. Assuming you spot and stop a kid who's pick-pocketing, what then? Handcuff him and try to find a judge who will keep him in jail a year awaiting trial and then sentence him to 10 years?

 

Seriously, what do you do? It's not easy for the cops at all.

[jacko 8,814]

But it's not that simple a choice.

 

If you provide that preventative presence, you're a bully who should be out catching real criminals - since no one has broken the law after all. Assuming you spot and stop a kid who's pick-pocketing, what then? Handcuff him and try to find a judge who will keep him in jail a year awaiting trial and then sentence him to 10 years?

 

Seriously, what do you do? It's not easy for the cops at all.

Err, sounds like they a real criminals to me, or is there an age below which criminal actions are deemed 'not a crime' in Thailand?

Apart from the picking pockets, they are using hawking as a cover, plenty of hawkers get taken in!

Yes, arrest them, take them along to the police station, and attempt to locate the parents... as has been done before.

You seem to like to make excuses for the police who really are a sad excuse for police.

Edited July 1, 2009 by jacko

[davethailand 91]

These kids have been around for a few years now, luckily they don't come near me now, probably used to getting told to eff off.

[MM 6,562]

(Very) Occasionally the police take a walk down Walking Street. When they are on the street, the kids and their minders scamper to the sois off the street and wait till they're gone.

 

Ten minutes later, they are back. Obviously they know that the police would stop them if they could catch them, or why do they run?

 

I guess no one ever thought of plain clothes enforcement.

 

And, like davethailand, they never bother me anymore. I give them "the look" and they immediately scan for someone else to hug/rob.

[bruiser 0]

Err, sounds like they a real criminals to me, or is there an age below which criminal actions are deemed 'not a crime' in Thailand?

Apart from the picking pockets, they are using hawking as a cover, plenty of hawkers get taken in!

Yes, arrest them, take them along to the police station, and attempt to locate the parents... as has been done before.

You seem to like to make excuses for the police who really are a sad excuse for police.

 

Jacko

Agree with your attitude to criminal offences.HOWEVER, even in Australia our Police have there hands tied behind there backs when it comes to Kids (juivinile offenders).

This is one of the main reasons these Kids are used (YES USED by organised crime group/gangs for all sorts of crimes).

Try to find a judge who will convict a KID for any crime in Aus(do gooders rule here) under inditeable offence ,mate its easier to find Rocking Horse Shit on a golf course.

So why would a cop arrest a kid ,spend 3 to 4 hours screening and charge sheet paperwork,just for him to get a warning???

All offences by minors expunged at age of 18 in AUS.

Ask yourself if you were a cop overworked what would you do??? Sorry I aint giving any answer only more questions.But its how it is in our world .

Just be wary,and BMs should be commended for passing on this information to us all

[joekicker 53]

Yes, arrest them, take them along to the police station, and attempt to locate the parents... as has been done before.

You seem to like to make excuses for the police who really are a sad excuse for police.

 

I wish I had an answer in four lines, but I don't.

 

I'll tell you some reality. One is that if you even THINK of locking up these kids, you can forget it OR prepare for the biggest fire-xhitstorm of your life. The last time the Chon Buri and Pattaya cops proposed setting up a nice little remand home for the gangs, the whole country tore into them. You won't be locking them up and you'll be on every front page in the country as a heartless baxtard to boot. You might find Oliver in Pattaya, but Mr Fang has been fired and retired, without pension. That's reality. It's not up for debate.

 

Another reality is that contacting the parents is as helpful as implanting teats on a boar. The parents are in on it slash the masterminds slash "just can't control him". Making cops into social workers wastes time and annoys the cops. Another is that even if you make the cops into social workers, who gets to be cops? Another is that if you make the cops social workers, then YOU are actually and really making excuses for the pixx poor policing, not just fantasising about how some other poster is doing it when he most certainly is not.

 

Again, I'm the one ASKING for fresh ideas. If I had a four-line or 40-line solution, I'd give it, and for free.

Edited July 1, 2009 by joekicker

[jacko 8,814]

The only better idesa, and it is hardly a new one, is to make the parents responsible for the kids.

Prosecute the parents.

I don't recall the Mr Fang incident, but I can more than believe it.

And here is another idea, since a police presence seems to scatter them, how about a police presence.

Or better still a police presence who have had their newspapers taken off them.

Come get the two I found sleeping by the lake the other day.

Or those that sit watching the TV in the Lek hotel.

 

Do these kids have walkie-talkies too?

[joekicker 53]

More bobbies on the beat never hurt a town. And lord knows every Thai town could use it. The problem is they sorta kinda have walkie-talkies, yes -- more of a jungle telegraph. You see it all over Thailand - in Bangkok the illegal street (or pirate) vendors. It should happen, but I'm pessimistic it would help with these child gangs, more's the pity.

 

You won't get a Thai law that makes parents responsible, they're very American about that (as usual). It's been talked to death for 40 years I personally know of, principally in Bangkok, and it's not going to happen. Nor should it in my opinion.

 

Mr Fang and Oliver (Twist) are Dickens.

[jacko 8,814]

More bobbies on the beat never hurt a town. And lord knows every Thai town could use it. The problem is they sorta kinda have walkie-talkies, yes -- more of a jungle telegraph. You see it all over Thailand - in Bangkok the illegal street (or pirate) vendors. It should happen, but I'm pessimistic it would help with these child gangs, more's the pity.

 

You won't get a Thai law that makes parents responsible, they're very American about that (as usual). It's been talked to death for 40 years I personally know of, principally in Bangkok, and it's not going to happen. Nor should it in my opinion.

 

Mr Fang and Oliver (Twist) are Dickens.

Sorry the Fang reference buzzed by me, I really should pay more attention.

The intervening 45 years have been hard on me.

 

Well I have heard of Thai parents taking some responsibility and action wrt the behaviour of theoir children. Getting them off a murder rap for eg... didn't you and I discuss that once? Why do you feel a parent is not responsible for the actions of their child... up to a limit say of 16 years, at which point they could be charged as an adult? So hooligans/kids/gangs etc are inviolable, and Thai society has no defence against them? No wonder they get used!

Edited July 2, 2009 by jacko