Mamasans - Changing roles?

[Butch 3,456]

Hi.

The role of the mamasan has changed over the years. Back in the heady days of the 80's and 90's she was, to the girls, a matriarch, teacher, counsellor, money lender, advisor, scribe, translator and judge all rolled into one.

 

Nowadays, the girls speak very passable English. Education is better (and with the internet, more accessible) and there's not much doubt that although alot of the girls in the game are still young, they now enter into it with much more knowledge and foresight than they ever have done before.

 

Now, a good mamasan is worth her weight in gold, Moulee being one of them, but they are few and far between these days, with some bars actually negating the need for one. Some of the new "big guns" on Walking St don't have an overt mamasan, she's been replaced by a "manager", in many cases a male one. In the smaller beer bars the MS has been dropped and now dual roles as an MS / manager / cashier.

 

Example, you want a girl from "XYZ" a GoGo? (Gabor this won't apply mate :) ) - how many of us would call over the mamasan?. i'd wager none, simply because she's not really needed. The girl can negotiate her own terms, she consults the floor manager of her BF and leaves with you. simple.

 

In the old days one would ask the mamasan for the girl with the best English, or the one who wasn't on mensi, or the one who gave the best BBBJ. Any problems with the girl would be referred to her, she would sort out catfights, dance rotas etc etc. you may well have befriended her by getting a few drinks in, maybe for a return favour when you want Noi's phone number when she's off.

 

It was a double edged sword though. i'm still very good mates with Jod, Ex "Happy a GoGo, Dollhouse" and "The Sea" Mamasan, who told me that she would always tell her girls to get as much baht from the farang as possible. Also to try and get him drunk so he doesn't want too much sex, making her tired for her next shift. If he had a good heart, get him to BF her for as long as possible and always bring him to the bar to see her friends. Old tricks I know, but ones that worked nonetheless.

 

Many bars still retain the Ms, but her role is becoming less important to us, as customers. We no longer need her to interact on our behalf, or check our (now computerised) bin.

 

Of course there will still be times when you get a problem with the girl.......... now where's that bloody mamasan when you need her?.

 

waddya think?

 

cheers

Butch

Edited September 16, 2012 by Butch

[yogi100 1,925]

I spend a lot of time in Pattaya and have never seen a punter discuss a girl or the fees with a mamasan other than those who were obviously a bit gormless. How can a mamasan know what the girl will be like in the room and you can easily discover her linguistic skills by simply talking to her.. I have seen a MS try and push a girl on to a punter and have had it happen to me a couple of times but I resent a third party conducting negotiations over what is basically a private and personal matter. You see a girl who takes your fancy and if she reciprocates you make your own arrangements with the lass yourself.

 

A fellow who needs the help of an interfering pimpess of a mamasan to pick up a girl in Pattaya must be a bit of a dope. Nine times out of ten these vultures only get involved to pick up a bit of your hard earned cash for themselves on top of the barfine and the girl's fee.

[Montydog 135]

I spend a lot of time in Pattaya and have never seen a punter discuss a girl or the fees with a mamasan other than those who were obviously a bit gormless. How can a mamasan know what the girl will be like in the room and you can easily discover her linguistic skills by simply talking to her.. I have seen a MS try and push a girl on to a punter and have had it happen to me a couple of times but I resent a third party conducting negotiations over what is basically a private and personal matter. You see a girl who takes your fancy and if she reciprocates you make your own arrangements with the lass yourself.

 

A fellow who needs the help of an interfering pimpess of a mamasan to pick up a girl in Pattaya must be a bit of a dope. Nine times out of ten these vultures only get involved to pick up a bit of your hard earned cash for themselves on top of the barfine and the girl's fee.

 

Well said :thumbup

Edited September 16, 2012 by Montydog

[Grandpollo 366]

Moulee at FLB helped me arrange taking home two FLB girls at the wee hours who were intimidated (one of them) and fascinated (the other) with the idea, so I agree the right one can break the ice. Moulee did not do anything with things like what to pay them.

[Idefix 2,275]

Hi. I am not sure which agogos could have no mamasan? Her job is not only to help with customers when there is a language barrier, but to recruit new girls and to manage all the problems than girls can have/create together...

 

I forged my opinion on mamasan loooong years ago: I (usually) don't need them. If one try to intervene in my discussion with a girl, I just politely declined her "help". At best I node them when I enter in a place where she see me as a frequent customer. ok.

 

I understand the girls need a mamasan probably more than customers need her. However 2 or 3 times in 10+ years I got good help from them... to localize a girl

 

I remember a pretty new girl I meet in FLB. For some reason I didn't BFed her the first night, and when I came back a few days later she had stopped working after just 10 days. Nobody was able to say where she was now or how to contact her. . Speaking with the FLB mamasan (Moulee?) she told me that this lady probably would come back to get her salary, and when was the payment. I was in the bar that day of the following month when yes she came in. . We got drinks and she then stays with me a few weeks. The kind of service that surely worth a LD and a tip for the mamasan

[tomcat76 327]

I think mamasans are one of those institutions that are tough to generalize. They can be good; they can be bad. They can be helpful to customers; they can be helpful to bargirls; they can be helpful to both; they can be helpful to nobody in particular except themselves. Sit back, just enjoy the place for awhile, and watch them, and in most cases I think you can figure out what their actual agenda is. Sometimes, depending on what you see going on, you can buy one a drink & chat a little, and do yourself a big favor...

[Big_Brian 179]

When I used to BF from gogo's I often would buy the mamasan a dink and have a quick chat before bar fining a girl. It wasn't to discuss the girl, or to negotiate, it was so that the girl saw me talking to the mamasan, that way I seldom had any problems with the girl.

 

These days, for me, gogo's are for getting my engine running, I BF from beer bars.

[nkped 1,208]

Last time I talked to a mamasan was in Peppermint at their old location. She was young and cute and I considered asking if she went BF.

[steamer 158]

I spend a lot of time in Pattaya and have never seen a punter discuss a girl or the fees with a mamasan other than those who were obviously a bit gormless. How can a mamasan know what the girl will be like in the room and you can easily discover her linguistic skills by simply talking to her.. I have seen a MS try and push a girl on to a punter and have had it happen to me a couple of times but I resent a third party conducting negotiations over what is basically a private and personal matter. You see a girl who takes your fancy and if she reciprocates you make your own arrangements with the lass yourself.

 

A fellow who needs the help of an interfering pimpess of a mamasan to pick up a girl in Pattaya must be a bit of a dope. Nine times out of ten these vultures only get involved to pick up a bit of your hard earned cash for themselves on top of the barfine and the girl's fee.

 

There are only 2 questions I ever ask the girls and they are:

 

1) how much is the barfine

2) will you stay long time.

 

That's it. No bj nor anal questions. Nothing about barhopping or 3 somes. Nothing else. Some girls/bars just get the mamasan involved straight away and it just seems to revolve around getting maximum price for the girls and sometimes they want it up-front.

 

 

I can think of 4 bars and 5 instances off the top of my head where the mamasan comes over in a flash. Lighthouse, Shark Club (same owners) Spanky's and one of the Supebaby/Supergirl bars. I put the Spanky's one down to having a new mamasan this summer as I hadn't seen it there before. The 'Super' group of bars often ask for the barfine up-front and how the hell does that happen without the mamasan getting involved?

 

Of the 5 situations I can easily recall only one ended up satisfactorily for both parties. 3 I balked on, one turned a lt into a st and the other was a gem that stayed with me in the room from 9 pm 'til I gave her a ride to her room at 5 pm.

Edited January 9, 2014 by steamer