Discrimination

[woody1 0]

yeah avoid villa park

 

 

Thats good coming from someone who supports a team from Birmingham No indians up your way then villa

[Arno 0]

yeah avoid villa park

I have been a Villa fan for years although I don't get to go to see them that often because I don't live in the country.

 

The stadium is nice enough but there is only one small train station nearby which gets completely log jammed after the match ends. You then have no alternative but to walk for ages until you can find somewhere where you can get a taxi.

 

The area around Villa park is pretty run down too...

 

....and has a large Bengali population, so I hope that is not what you were referring to by your comment villayouth

[villayouth 37]

yeah avoid villa park

 

 

was a fuckin joke

[bratpack 91]

99% of people living in Aston are not english,not racist just a fact and the government are not racist for allowing these gentlemen to live there and have a good life claiming money,how generous are we.

[nidnoyham 30]

To the OP.

 

If you, or any Muslim, Arab, Indian..... want to know why Thai's treat you differently, you must ask them for yourself. All you will get from this forum, will be guesses or opinions of white blokes. If this is good enough for you- fair enough.

 

Only a Thai can tell you for sure ,why they discriminate against you. We can guess it's about the problems down south. We can share the things we have seen your countrymen or race do in Thailand that may give you a clue to why they treat you as they do.

 

This type of thread crops up on a pretty regular basis, causing many an argument, but hardly ever giving a satisfactory answer to the question asked.

 

My attempt to answer it would be that the Thais attitude to minorities, probably reflect those you would encounter more in the West, had laws not been passed to prevent it. No such laws exist in Thailand. They have the choice to do what they think suits them and their interests best.

[Arno 0]

Is it just bars that might discriminate against Indians, Arabs, etc or is it also other places like hotels?

 

I know that there are some hotels e.g. Diamond Beach which tend to have a very large number of Arab residents.

[gazza701 0]

Pardon me but doesnt Buddha originate from india so are the thai's not being a tad hypocritical when indians are concerned?

[nidnoyham 30]

Pardon me but doesnt Buddha originate from india so are the thai's not being a tad hypocritical when indians are concerned?

 

 

Most Americans originate from Europe, but it doesn't stop them slagging the place and it's people off.

[jacko 8,813]

Ah yes, well indeed you brought that up after refusing to discuss the previous given - you seem to feel you know that the Thais have a negative feeling about Muslims because Muslims do such terrible stuff in the South.

 

And I say such a claim is ridiculous. You don't know at all what Thais think about Muslims OR the South with such a statement, that the Thais rather obviously do NOT have such a feeling about Muslims given their rather obvious and observable action towards people from the world's biggest Muslim country and Malaysia for starters, not to mention the roughly 10 per cent of Thai citizens who are Muslim and have ZERO problem about it, where by "zero" I mean none at all in any form, ever.

 

You DO know there are quite a few Muslims and actual mosques in Pattaya, right?

Perhaps where you live Joe, I have most certainly heard many Thais speak ill of Muslims My circles may not be as well educaded or erudite as yours, but Thais they are.

 

As to knowing that there are some mosques in Pattaya, yes, they set the dogs off in proximity of my bedroom daily. Mosques are strategically positioned to the expressways and major roads and even obvious to one landing at Bangkok's major airport. Nice of someone to donate the money for these.

[The Jock Bomb 0]

Perhaps where you live Joe, I have most certainly heard many Thais speak ill of Muslims My circles may not be as well educaded or erudite as yours, but Thais they are.

 

As to knowing that there are some mosques in Pattaya, yes, they set the dogs off in proximity of my bedroom daily. Mosques are strategically positioned to the expressways and major roads and even obvious to one landing at Bangkok's major airport. Nice of someone to donate the money for these.

 

Mate there is no point in arguing, 'he knows best'. Every Thai that I have ever discussed this subject with, with the exception of 2 are all wrong and are not thinking in the manner they should according to Joe.

 

According to Joe they are wrong, even although they are Thai and expressed these reasons, go figure?

 

 

We all have our own thoughts and ideas about it. I base mine purely on events and also what Thai's tell me, but it would appear all these Thai's, including the GF has been lying to me for years and there is infact another reason, or perhaps she is harbouring a secret admiration of Indians and Arabs?

 

I find it some what amazing, although Joe insists all these Thai's are in fact lying, he offers no hard and fast reason why there is infact discrimination, mentioned not only in this thread but in numerous other Thai forums. Again I don't quite understand that.

 

*mental note* I must demand why my GF has been lying to me for 4 years!

Edited March 31, 2009 by The Jock Bomb

[Arno 0]

I have most certainly heard many Thais speak ill of Muslims

That's because of all the terrorist activity that the Muslims are carrying out down South.

 

Last month I read in the Bangkok Post about 3 people that were killed when their car drove over a terrorist bomb buried in the road in Patani. It was only a small mention.

 

I get the impression that these things go on all the time but do not come to the attention much of Westerners. But the Thais in the North of Thailand know about it all right.

[joekicker 53]

Perhaps where you live Joe, I have most certainly heard many Thais speak ill of Muslims My circles may not be as well educaded or erudite as yours, but Thais they are.

 

I don't want seem to be beating a dead pig but yes, of course Thais are as stereotyping and prejudiced as anyone, even including me. "Did you hear the one about the Indian, the Paki and the Arab?" is as Thai as slapstick. I don't deny what you write, and in fact I back it up, because I've heard them too. (And not only Thais.)

 

The problem: You've put up a strawman only to burn and trample on it.

 

No one (least of all me) claimed the Thai Buddhists and agnostics don't speak ill of Muslims. Only your straw man made such a claim. Everywhere else, the claim being discussed was that the Thais don't like Muslims (highly questionable, that) BECAUSE of what Muslims have done in the South. That claim, made several times above, is what I deny.

 

 

 

Pardon me but doesnt Buddha originate from india so are the thai's not being a tad hypocritical when indians are concerned?

 

You figure Thai Buddhists should be like American and European Christians with the sort of respect they give to the Middle East?

 

But no, I don't see why it's at all hypocritical, any more than it would be hypocritical for anyone to slag off African just because that's where humans originated.'

[jacko 8,813]

The problem: You've put up a strawman only to burn and trample on it.

 

No one (least of all me) claimed the Thai Buddhists and agnostics don't speak ill of Muslims. Only your straw man made such a claim. Everywhere else, the claim being discussed was that the Thais don't like Muslims (highly questionable, that) BECAUSE of what Muslims have done in the South. That claim, made several times above, is what I deny.

Let me put it a little more clearly. Many Thais I know, who are Buddhists or agnostics, speak ill of Muslims, and expressed a dislike of them. In a couple of instances, I would have said hate was a valid word. They mentioned some attrocities in the South, and reacted to TV reports. Plus I bet there is one Thai lady (at least), who has yet to recover her husband's head from a Saudi Arabian fridge, who developed a dislike too.

[nidnoyham 30]

Like I said, Only a Thai can tell you for sure why Indians, Arabs ,Muslims are not popular in LOS.

 

Perhaps they are unpopular in other SE Asian countries too. Why pick on the Thai's ? Try booking a hotel in Sri Lanka, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Burma.....

 

Sometimes its better and easier to accept things as they are, than to dig into why they are.

 

I know, this forum is about LOS. I just don't think any BM is qualified to speak for a whole nation.

 

This subject is due for debate again about May/June. Perhaps it will be answered then.

[joekicker 53]

Plus I bet there is one Thai lady (at least), who has yet to recover her husband's head from a Saudi Arabian fridge, who developed a dislike too.

 

Now I didn't know that. The connection in Mrs Sombat's mind between those so-called "people" who cut off Bigley's head in Iraq and the south of Thailand is?

 

 

The thing is that almost all tourists in the South of Thailand except for Phuket are Muslims. So why do you think that Muslim tourists BY THE MILLIONS are welcome in Thailand and yet there are no really important anti-Muslim sentiment towards those MILLIONS of Muslim tourists and the tourists are not at all put off by the Thai attitude towards them?

 

For example: Would you visit or live in a country where people openly and frequently despised you in the manner you insist Thais show towards Muslims? Why (in your opinion) do Muslims BY THE MILLIONS visit and spend their money in such a country?

 

Or, giving you an alternative explantion for your error, do you think that all Muslims are Indians and Arabs, and you are failing to consider for example, the Muslims who live in a country bordering Thailand and the Muslims from the world's most populous Muslim country? For example.

 

For example: What in your hearing do Thais say about Malaysians? For example.

 

Not Malaysia - Malaysians.

Lump them with "kaek" (Indians) do they?

[CheshireTom 1,377]

The thing is that almost all tourists in the South of Thailand except for Phuket are Muslims. So why do you think that Muslim tourists BY THE MILLIONS are welcome in Thailand and yet there are no really important anti-Muslim sentiment towards those MILLIONS of Muslim tourists and the tourists are not at all put off by the Thai attitude towards them?

 

For example: Would you visit or live in a country where people openly and frequently despised you in the manner you insist Thais show towards Muslims? Why (in your opinion) do Muslims BY THE MILLIONS visit and spend their money in such a country?

 

Joe,

 

You've got to laugh. I just had to do a double shuttle between KL and Songkhla to bring home the kit I'd been using down there for the last three months. I flew in and out of Alor Star in Kedah, just over the border. Not minding a bit of a party on my trips, I stayed in Dannok for a couple of nights since I was on the early morning flights. Funnily enough, except for me, all the customers in Bangkok Cafe, Bar Berry, Model Club etc etc were either Indian, Chinese or Muslim. Not only that, the bastards in the clubs were paying for a large beer what guys in Pattaya pay for a dumpy in some outside beer bar with a stereo. Funnily enogh, I didn't hear one girl complain about the religion of ethnic appearance of the punters. Oh, except for the one oddball farang. That said, it is interesting to note the responses you get from the girls when you ask why they don't work in Pattaya.

 

I could go to Had Yai this weekend except that all the hotels are booked out by Malay Muslims because of the school holidays so I'll have to settle for Bangkok. Of course, if I go to any decent club along the length of Sukhumvit, I'm going to be pretty pissed off with the number of moneyed Indian guys hitting off with the best birds.

[joekicker 53]

border. Not minding a bit of a party on my trips, I stayed in Dannok for a couple of nights

 

Any hard trip requires a stopover. How could anyone expect you to travel straight through? Thank goodness there is an oasis in that long, harsh desert trip from Songkhla to KL.

 

I'll tell ya, though, I'm so old that I can remember when Ipoh is where you stopped for a bit of R&.. er, a non-alcoholic refreshment.

 

That said, it is interesting to note the responses you get from the girls when you ask why they don't work in Pattaya. grin

 

Ooh, that's harsh.

[jacko 8,813]

Now I didn't know that. The connection in Mrs Sombat's mind between those so-called "people" who cut off Bigley's head in Iraq and the south of Thailand is?

Perhaps a certain radicalism within a particular religion.

The thing is that almost all tourists in the South of Thailand except for Phuket are Muslims. So why do you think that Muslim tourists BY THE MILLIONS are welcome in Thailand and yet there are no really important anti-Muslim sentiment towards those MILLIONS of Muslim tourists and the tourists are not at all put off by the Thai attitude towards them?

As far as visiting tourists are concerned, Thailand doesn't care where they come from. How they are received was lumped in with the original point of discussion. Although particularly in Pattaya.

For example: Would you visit or live in a country where people openly and frequently despised you in the manner you insist Thais show towards Muslims? Why (in your opinion) do Muslims BY THE MILLIONS visit and spend their money in such a country?

Yes, I worked in one or two.....but please show me where...despised you in the manner you insist Thais show towards Muslims? I said this?..... go back and reread without putting your slant on it.

Or, giving you an alternative explantion for your error, do you think that all Muslims are Indians and Arabs, and you are failing to consider for example, the Muslims who live in a country bordering Thailand and the Muslims from the world's most populous Muslim country?.

No, I know they are not, I am quite aware of the expanding borders....but I will tell YOU some thing, those guys are not regarded as real Muslims by many of their brethren.

For example: What in your hearing do Thais say about Malaysians? For example.

 

Not Malaysia - Malaysians.

Lump them with "kaek" (Indians) do they?

Nationality was not mentioned,..... a religion was. A lot of lumping there I suppose! Edited April 2, 2009 by jacko

[joekicker 53]

Yes, I worked in one or two.

 

Haven't we all? I'll certainly match you one-for-one there until one of us quits.

 

But the ones you chose to vacation in while knowing the locals hated your axx were....?

 

 

Nationality was not mentioned,..... a religion was. A lot of lumping there I suppose!

 

Heh. A wise man once wrote:

 

Many a 'yank' hater who hasn't been anyplace outside Cobbletown except Benidorm.

[jacko 8,813]

Haven't we all? I'll certainly match you one-for-one there until one of us quits.

Silly idea, for me, there aren't that many though. You have a decided advantage in that match due to nationality.

 

But the ones you chose to vacation in while knowing the locals hated your axx were....?

Ah, now a different question, keep asking different questions until we get the answer we want eh? To this one NONE.

Heh. A wise man once wrote:

 

Many a 'yank' hater who hasn't been anyplace outside Cobbletown except Benidorm.

Yes better once wrote than once wise! Edited April 2, 2009 by jacko

[joekicker 53]

Ah, now a different question, keep asking different questions until we get the answer we want eh? To this one NONE.

 

No sir. Just repeated the question in the hope you'd read what I wrote instead of what you read.

 

I asked if you would choose to visit or live in a country where people didn't like you. Check the record above.

 

What I don't get and I was hoping you'd reconcile or at least give your opinion about is why for 50 years or whatever millions and millions of Muslims come to Thailand for holidays/pleasure when in your opinion the Thais show hostility towards Muslims? How come the word never got out or the Muslims never smartened up or whatever? You and I agree after all that we wouldn't CHOOSE a country where the folks felt that way about us.

 

BTW you don't know (it seems) my nationality but I can assure you I get bad-mouthed.

[jacko 8,813]

No sir. Just repeated the question in the hope you'd read what I wrote instead of what you read.

 

I asked if you would choose to visit or live in a country where people didn't like you. Check the record above.

 

What I don't get and I was hoping you'd reconcile or at least give your opinion about is why for 50 years or whatever millions and millions of Muslims come to Thailand for holidays/pleasure when in your opinion the Thais show hostility towards Muslims? How come the word never got out or the Muslims never smartened up or whatever? You and I agree after all that we wouldn't CHOOSE a country where the folks felt that way about us.

 

BTW you don't know (it seems) my nationality but I can assure you I get bad-mouthed.

You said 'visit or live', then it was 'choose to visit'....whatever Joe, bend it, twist it, shake it, only James Bond would know the difference in the Martini. I took a stab at your Nationality, but do not know for certain, just snippets from previous posts pointed me. Where I chose would get you bad mouthed someplaces, you seem to think you might too, so point stands.

 

Some Thais express dislike I said, hostility you said...bend it shake it!

The Scots visit England a bit too........and vice versa.......

Edited April 2, 2009 by jacko

[nidnoyham 30]

I wonder if two Indians/ Muslims/ Arabs would argue to such lengths about how much the English/ Americans / Welsh, are disliked and why ? Nah, they would take the sensible line of - " Who gives a f#ck ? "

 

I certainly don't and I'm English !

[jacko 8,813]

I wonder if two Indians/ Muslims/ Arabs would argue to such lengths about how much the English/ Americans / Welsh, are disliked and why ? Nah, they would take the sensible line of - " Who gives a f#ck ? "

 

I certainly don't and I'm English !

Anybody who comes forth with a statement like that has obviously never got into an argument with an Arab or an Indian!

[nidnoyham 30]

Anybody who comes forth with a statement like that has obviously never got into an argument with an Arab or an Indian!

 

I nearly had a punch up with an Indian over a parking space in Hounslow. I doubt we would have argued over the subject we are talking about on this post.

 

The thought of him arguing with another Indian about it, is even less likely.

Edited April 2, 2009 by nidnoyham