Chatuchak Market. Dogs and Hawks.

[Mirkwood 342]

It's not often that I big myself up but this post is useful and could really save somebody money and heart ache. I wanted to post this in the open section so anyone doing a search can find it.

 

Ex pats.

 

When people move to LOS full time and set up home. Due to boredom, lack of entertainment other than drinking, whoring, golf etc people get into having pets.

 

It will normally start with a home aquarium. As there are no standards here for glass thickness or anything else a tank costs next to nothing. In UK this hobby might sent you back hundreds of ££££'s but here you can get massive tanks with all the air pumps,filters,gravel and plants for a couple of thousand baht.

 

Fish tanks are normally a 5 minute wonder and you see loads of them for sale 2nd hand on the Villa Mart classifieds section.

 

As you know Chatuchak market sells every kind of animal under the Sun. I'd always loved birds of prey. I did have more than a basic knowledge of how to keep one before I came here. For me it's turned into a fantastic hobby. I'm a member of a falconry school in Bangkok and still go every week. Porno loves it and we still have Odin our white kite who is fully trained.

 

 

BUT.......

 

It is a very bad idea to buy birds from Chatuchak.

 

Most of them are dead. OK, they still look alive but they were wild. Most are in a stage of shock at being caught and handled and will die within a week. Having any type of bird is hard work. Owls look lovely and are always on sale. They are the most difficult to keep. Only people who know what they are doing and really understand what they are taking on should even think about it. A bird of prey is easier to look after but again if you have no plans on joining a falconry club don't even think about it.

 

Odin looking lovely.

 

 

 

Dogs.

 

Now this next information should read like the gospel to anyone buying a dog in LOS. I know if I posted this on other boards I would get experts disagreeing with me and quoting facts and figures etc. Well bollocks to them. They don't know what they are talking about.

 

I grew up with dogs. My family always had at least one and I have personally owned 2 German Shepherds and a Black Lab.

 

Dogs in LOS is big business. It is really easy for people to get parted from their hard earned. Falang man comes to Thailand and he decides he wants a dog. A normal Thai dog won't be good enough. Oh no he'll want something special. Myself included.

 

We moved into a house a few months ago. The first thing the lady renting it told us is that we would need a dog for security. Of course that was music to my ears. I didn't need any more encouraging. Porno is the same. We are big animal lovers.

 

Small penis, bullied at school? I don't know the reason why but I love fierce animals. Porno's Thai. Shes from Khon Kaen. I've found out this area of Issan is famous for producing violent people. Most of the red shirts causing the grief were from Khon Kaen. If we have a dog or bird it must be a vicious bastard anyway.

 

I decided I wanted a German Shepherd. I've got the time and the money so set about finding a good un. Internet searches came up with quite a few breeders in Bangkok. We visited them all.

 

They all try parting you from your money with the usual dog seller patter. To anyone who doesn't know a pedigree dog must come with papers/certificate. In UK it's the kennel club and the certificate will list the parents names and history. The papers are white colored.

Now a very special dog will have pink papers. To get pink papers the dogs parents must have been show champions and the dog will cost mega dough.

 

It's always a good idea to buy the best dog you can especially with German Shepherds as health problems are common and will cost you dearly in the future.

 

Anyway, we managed to find lots of pink papered champion dog here.

 

Funny that.

 

We settled on one breeder in Bangkok. Her dogs were breed in Chang Mai and had pink papers. Puppies were 40,000 baht each.

 

All sounded good. We had visited all the other breeders and I didn't like what I saw or heard. The usual LOS shit. Everyone tells you to never buy a dog from Chatuchak as they are sick. Well let me tell you that all the shops and dealers buy from the same puppy farms no matter what breed of dog it is. If it makes you feel better paying 30,000 baht for the same dog you can buy at Chatuchak for 5000 baht then fill your boots.

 

I'd say the dogs at the market are more likely to have something wrong for sure but whatever you buy will need taking straight to the vets anyway. Not much in it.

 

The biggest problem you have in LOS is Canine Distemper. Even if you buy a really good puppy from a decent breeder you still have to contend with other dogs coming up to your gate, touching you etc.

The vets here are not careful either. The waiting rooms are like leper colonies. Realistically I'd give the chances of any puppy surviving more than 6 months 50/50 at best.

 

Back to our dog lady.

 

So we are all set for the 40,000 baht pink paper champion.

 

The big day arrived and we headed off with the money. Dog looked really good. Had all the things you look for in a GSD. The Thai woman selling it started looking and speaking a load of bollocks like they do when they are about to rip you off. I think we all know the signs. I waited for it. Something was wrong.

 

' I'm sorry I lose pink paper. If you buy dog now I send away and give you next week'

 

Fucking knew it. So the champion dog has just turned into a 5000 baht Chatuchak dog that shes bought and trying to flog to some mug.

 

She knew it was game over. I said no thanks and walked. As we got to the bottom of the drive she said 'Wait, what can you give me?'

 

I didn't look back.

 

We still didn't have a dog and Porno was all pissed off because she had waited weeks.

 

I decided the whole pedigree dog thing in LOS is bullshit. Yes, there are a few Europeans who have imported good dogs and charge for them. What you have to ask yourself is why do you want a special dog like that?

You can't take the bastard out for walks. You try.

 

You get about 10 yards up the road then some manky Thai dog attacks. Think about that. How many dogs are on the soi's?

 

They do have dog shows here but again the standards are nothing like in UK. 6 people will turn up in a field, bung a few police cones out and have a competition. Certificates and cups will be handed out. Hey presto champion dog.

 

Knowing what I know now I can say there is really only one dog to have in LOS.

 

Thai Bangkaew.

 

 

 

Bangkaew is a village located in the Bang Rakam District, Phitsanulok Province in the central region of Thailand. In this district, near the Yom River, there is a monastery called Wat Bangkaew where it is believed that Thai Bangkaew Dogs originated.

 

Legend has it that the third abbot of Wat Bangkaew Temple, the respected Luang Puh Maak Metharee, was known for mercy and care given to all living things. An old Bangkaew villager named Tah Nim gave the abbot a native bitch. Because she was pregnant without any dog in the area, her mating was though to be either a jackal or a dhole lived in the surrounding forest. A chromosome study of Thai Bangkaew dog confirmed that the breed is the result of domestic dog and jackal interbreed. The resulting litter produced longhaired puppies of black and dark brown coloration. Luang Puh Maak Metharee raised the resulting puppies, four females.

 

Bangkaews are vicious bastards to strangers but love the family they live with. Eat anything, short haired and don't need taking for walks.

 

If I could wind the clock back I would have bought 2 of these but it was too late. Porno wanted a GSD.

 

We went to look at Chatuchak. Saw some manky Thai bloke who had a GSD in bad shape. Heart ruled my head and we ended up buying her. Porno kicked him up the nuts and said the dog was sick and needed vets. Turned out to be true. Anyway we only gave him 1500 baht.

 

Took poor thing straight to vets. Had to spend out quite a bit. She had worms and a virus. Would have died 100% so felt good. Did the right thing there.

 

Called her Lucky.

 

 

Had to laugh. Our new GSD turned out to be a rip off. She's not a true GSD. I think I knew that anyway

 

She's turned into a great dog though.

 

I'm always down Chatuchak and know all the dealers by name. As we had been making noises about buying a special dog it wasn't long before we got the phone call I'd been expecting from a lady dealer.

 

'Please come we have Shepherd dog you want'

 

I wasn't bothered about another dog but went to have a look anyway. I was amazed when this woman takes me out the back of her shop and produces a Belgian Malinios.

 

Same sort of thing as a GSD but this dog was a cracker. Big puppy and looked in perfect health. Where she came from? Don't go there. You don't ask.

 

Anyway the lady only wanted 6000 baht. Porno knocked her down to 5800 and we walked away with the Malinois who we named Honey.

 

Our new wolf.

 

 

 

 

The lady had asked for our address and said the pedigree papers would be following. I nearly fainted when they actually arrived?????

 

So, there you have it. The guide to buying a dog in LOS.

 

I'll help any of you if you ever want one. Just ask.

 

 

To be honest though steel yourself for heartache if buying a puppy.

Edited November 10, 2010 by Mirkwood

[Damon 0]

One of the most interesting posts on here in a awhile. Thanks for that.

 

I've never owned a bird of prey although falconry is pretty cool and something to think about one day.

 

Back in Canada my family had Siberian Huskies (one of which made it to Canadian Champion status in the ring) plus a Silky Terrier. But I live in condos/apartments here so buying even a small dog is out of the question, unfortunately.

 

But it's nice to hear you can still find a good dog despite the inherent risks. Good show on finding a Malinois. I don't think I've ever seen one but I did surprise the hell out of the owner of a Belgian Tervuren by immediately recognizing her breed at a show while she was grooming it. Apparently everyone else thought it was a long-haired GSD. Beautiful animals.

 

Hope both puppies do well and make it past the 6 months mark. Funny that you wound up with two dogs despite wanting just one. We had three Huskies at one point despite wanting only one at a time. Crazy dog owners aren't as bad as the proverbial crazy cat ladies, but some of us come close at times!

[CheshireTom 1,377]

Back in Canada my family had Siberian Huskies (one of which made it to Canadian Champion status in the ring) plus a Silky Terrier. But I live in condos/apartments here so buying even a small dog is out of the question, unfortunately.

 

Quite a few folk with huskies down my way ...

 

 

 

 

 

[lovedog100 1,372]

I'm looking for a dog now. If anyone knows of a German Shepard, Husky, or Chow Chow in the Pattaya area, I'd sure like to know about it. Even a mix would be OK. I'd like something bigger and smarter than the typical Thai dog.

[Dungheap 243]

Can Huskies and other long-haired dogs really handle the heat of Thailand?

 

We used to have a Samoyed in Sydney -- brilliant family dog but summer was tough on her.

 

[Bazle 1,500]

It is a very bad idea to buy birds from Chatuchak.

 

Most of them are dead. OK, they still look alive but .............

Monty Python sprang to mind when I read that

[Mirkwood 342]

I'd like to answer some of these replies.

 

I've never owned a bird of prey although falconry is pretty cool and something to think about one day

 

Mate I promise you it's a fantastic hobby. I lived in a condo for 9 months. You can get it set up easily and own a bird of prey. We made Odin a shelter on the balcony including old tree for him to perch on. Now we have the house he's in paradise. We've made him a tree house and he's well happy.

 

There is a Hawking club in Bangkok. The people there are fantastic. Honestly they are so happy when a falang joins. If you click with them they will really help you. They have a club meeting every Friday night.

 

You can buy cracking birds of prey from them supplied with correct legal paperwork. Most of the untrained birds sell for around 5000 baht. The best one IMHO to start with would be a Brahminy Kite. They are quite large and look great. Quite user friendly to train but mainly for just flying not hunting.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahminy_Kite

 

They often have them for around 5000 baht. I've seen them for sale at Chatuchak for around 3500 baht but not in good condition.

 

Have a think about it. Great hobby but little bit demanding. Plenty of cleaning up to do.

 

 

I'm looking for a dog now. If anyone knows of a German Shepard, Husky, or Chow Chow in the Pattaya area, I'd sure like to know about it. Even a mix would be OK. I'd like something bigger and smarter than the typical Thai dog

 

 

I'm not sure about Pattaya. What I can tell you is it's possible to get a half decent GSD in Bangkok. I've got a number if you want to go down the Bangkok route. A fairly decent one will cost you around 8000 baht. You can get better looking long haired etc but they normally set you back up to 18,000 baht.

 

 

This is only IMHO but here is a little guide to some pedigree dogs in LOS.

 

Things are different here for sure. If I've learned anything that is useful to anyone I'll be happy. Dogs can break your heart here and your bank.

 

OK, here's a little guide. I'm not a mega expert just a fella who's spent most of the last year looking and learning.

 

 

German Shepherd Dog.

 

 

Very desirable dog to own in LOS. Next to Siberian Husky maybe the most desirable.

 

Now GSD have two problems.

 

1. The breed has been messed about with.

 

2. Temperament can be dodgy.

 

 

Granted there are a few decent breeders about but they will want up to 40,000 baht. As you don't want to pay that you can choose. Go to Chatuchak and take a chance with a 5-6000 baht dog or find somebody who will tell you their dogs safer, better etc and pay more. Either way it's risky.

 

Dogs get labeled as GSD's here but they can be anything. Belgian Shepherd, Malinois,Belgian Tervuren or mix of any.

 

GSD's are bad news for health problems if you get the wrong one. Be ready to open account at the Vets.

 

The army camp at Korat is supposed to sell decent GSD's. If I was serious about another one I'd find out more and go there to get one.

 

 

 

Siberian Husky.

 

 

 

Now I love Husky dogs and want one. Trouble is 3 of my mates own Huskys.

 

Good points.

 

They look like wolves.

 

They are friendly.

 

Your Thai wife will get massive face.

 

Bad points.

 

They howl at night.

 

They are escape artists.

 

They run off and don't come back.

 

They dig up the garden.

 

Finally the worst one. When you take a Husky to a Thai vet you are going to get financially raped. Some of the bills my friends have had would ruin anyone. 20,000 baht plus lots of times. Lets be honest. Husky dog = Snow.

 

Possibly the worst place to own one. The heat makes them sleep a lot.

 

Not a good bet but cracking looking dog. Sell for around 12,000 baht.

 

 

Alaskan Malamute

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaskan_Malamute

 

 

Look like Husky dog but much bigger. Top dog but wow look at the hair. Be aware that coat will fall out at least once a year over your furniture. Not a good dog to have around another pet. If you have a female dog never buy a female Malamute and same with male. Can't be same sex. When they fight watch out. Friendly dogs but can be nasty bits of work.

 

 

Akita

 

 

 

These are not easy to get hold of in LOS but it can be done. I know a decent breeder of Akita dogs. They sell for around 13,000 baht.

 

They look awesome and wow what a fantastic guard dog.

 

Now the bad points.

 

I'm begging you if you are thinking of getting one. NEVER have an Akita around a child. I know the do gooders will say they are fine etc but we have been taking care of one for the last 5 weeks. I love them to bits but what a bastard they can be. Without doubt the most scary dogs I have ever seen in my life. This one comes up to you, licks your hand then bites you. He's only playing but Jesus what a brute if he wanted to be. I read two Akita's could kill a bear. Not a shadow of doubt in my mind.

 

If you have no kids and want a guard dog style pet this is the one for you. I have seen the odd one at Chatuchak for 6000 baht. I wouldn't buy one from there though. All the lovely looking dogs get touched a lot. Probably got Distemper and will die.

 

 

That's the guard dog breeds I know about covered.

Edited November 10, 2010 by Mirkwood

[jacko 8,822]

Something different to read about.

I have decided against a dog, it is like having a child, they take looking after and restrict your ability to go away for trips.

I was also put off at my old house where noisy dogs meant I rarely got a full nights sleep, and even a sundowner beer was disturbed by yelping from some soppy ball of fluff.

I also saw a few dogs that were walked (well they have to shit someplace, not infront of their house but infront oif mine works for them).. that I knew would not last long. Western breeds are often totally unsuited to a Thai climate.

 

There goes my neighbours mutt now, 6am and probably spotted one of the dozens of feral mangy soi dogs that wander uncontrolled.

 

Nice to read of someone who will take good care of their animal.

[Damon 0]

Quite a few folk with huskies down my way ...

 

Nice pics, thanks. Don't have any of my own to post as they were all pre-digital photos. At one point we had easily 500 puppy pix of Mischcha but none of them got scanned for Internet purposes. Not even the official show photo when she took Group 4th to get her final Championship point. (We were all excited and jumping up and down at that, but the look on her face was "WTF? You silly humans, we're just did the same thing today as all the other shows!" But she did very much enjoy the small ice cream cone we bought as a special treat for the newly minted Champion, LOL)

 

Mate I promise you it's a fantastic hobby. I lived in a condo for 9 months. You can get it set up easily and own a bird of prey. We made Odin a shelter on the balcony including old tree for him to perch on. Now we have the house he's in paradise. We've made him a tree house and he's well happy.

 

Very interesting news on the falconry, Mirky (I'm only quoting part of your reply to save room in this post). I had no idea it would be so cheap to get an actual bird of prey -- was thinking the prices would have another 0 on the end, maybe two of them! At the moment I'm flipping between Thailand and the Philippines (with some exploration in Indonesia planned for next year) so the potential falconry will be on hold for now. Unless of course I can take him to the airport and look authoritative and say I'm there to clear the runway of nuisance birds...

 

That Brahminy Kite looks very cool, by the way.

 

Good points. (for Siberian Huskies)

 

They look like wolves.

 

They are friendly.

 

Your Thai wife will get massive face.

 

They are also very intelligent and act more like a friend than a dog.

 

They're exceptionally good-tempered and good-natured dogs who would only bite under extreme duress.

 

They're also highly photogenic as Tom's post indicates.

 

Bad points.

 

They howl at night.

 

They are escape artists.

 

They run off and don't come back.

 

They dig up the garden.

 

You're not wrong on any of this, mate. Additionally:

 

They are very difficult to train (all sledding breeds tend to be) as they were bred to think for themselves when pulling sleds through white-out blizzards when the driver had no idea where they were going. Very smart dogs but a nightmare for standard obedience. Mishcha learned very quickly what "sit" meant but pretty much refused to do so on command.

 

Me: Mischcha, sit!

Mishcha: Hmmm... my silly human is getting ideas about who's actually in charge here. Since he doesn't have any food, this is stupid.

Me: Mishcha, sit!

Mishcha: He's starting to look a little angry. If I'm not careful, he'll storm off into the house again and I'll get bored. I suppose I can sit, but only if I make it look like it was my idea in the first place. That's always good, because he starts to think he's making progress with this worthless "obedience" thing, I get a scratch behind the ears (and maybe a treat later) and yet I haven't given up anything vital in the owner vs. human balance of power. Let me count to five and then do it ...

** Mishcha finally sits **

 

The only one of our three who could even come close to "standard obedience" was Rostoff who was as dumb as a sackful of hammers.

 

Also, they are useless guard dogs and watch dogs as they love everyone. If a burglar comes to your house, your Siberian Husky will probably hold the guy's flashlight in his mouth for him.

 

Once a year they 'blow their coat', which is to say shed the dense fluffy undercoat (always white or cream-colored). One Siberian Husky can shed enough undercoat to fill 6.7 king size mattresses, more if you have shag carpets or any carpet with a contrasting color to the undercoat.

 

They are highly proficient killers of chickens and other small livestock. If (and when) they escape, there will be a butcher's bill for any unsecured livestock in the area. They really do love to run too -- and yes, they won't come back very willingly if and when they escape. Recapturing an escaped husky is a bit like hunting down a Special Forces POW who's been highly trained in "escape and evade" tactics. They love you, but they love open spaces even more, it seems.

 

They need a large yard with high fencing that can't be scaled plus underground chicken wiring. This minimizes but doesn't eliminate escapes. And yes, they WILL spend an extraordinary amount of time excavating your yard so that it resembles a WW1 mud moonscape.

 

They also need a lot of exercise as they're highly active dogs.

 

Maybe I'm making it seem that they're a nightmare breed but every potential owner needs to know these things about Siberians or their ownership of one (or more) will be a very unhappy one.

 

Alaskan Malamutes

 

We never owned any but they do have a reputation of being more aggressive and prone to violence than Huskies. Otherwise very similar dogs except for the size differential.

 

Akitas

 

Again, never owned any but I agree with the comments about Akitas and kids. I've heard negative things about them that way, but they are in fact courageous guard dogs unlike the sledding breeds.

 

Can Huskies and other long-haired dogs really handle the heat of Thailand?

 

I think it's been answered already but the short answer is "not really". Even with the undercoat blown out, they still get hot and need lots of shade and water when the heat is on. They're perfectly happy in freezing weather that would give any of us frostbite and hypothermia but they're not tropical dogs at all. Even if I had a house and large yard in Thailand, I would never own a Siberian there for just that reason.

[sinbinjack 252]

Very interesting post thank You.

[Mirkwood 342]

They are highly proficient killers of chickens and other small livestock. If (and when) they escape, there will be a butcher's bill for any unsecured livestock in the area. They really do love to run too -- and yes, they won't come back very willingly if and when they escape. Recapturing an escaped husky is a bit like hunting down a Special Forces POW who's been highly trained in "escape and evade" tactics. They love you, but they love open spaces even more, it seems

 

Made me laugh that.

 

I think we both know we are dog people.

 

 

I forgot to include a massive big of information. Now this ain't nice either.

 

Right, say you decide of a puppy and the poor thing does have distemper. Your life is going to be bad.

 

A vet I know reckons 90% of puppies for sale at Chatuchak or similar will possibly have distemper even before you buy them.

 

He told me 50% of them get diagnosed as kennel cough and shake the disease off and nobody knew their dog was even seriously ill. However, the other 50% will develop full blown symptoms.

 

If your dog develops full blown distemper it will break your heart.Your poor dog will die a horrific death before your eyes.

It can take up to a month.

 

Now the killer blow.

 

In UK or anywhere else you would have your dog put to sleep.

 

Here in LOS it's not that easy. Most of the vets won't euthanize animals due to Buddest beliefs.

 

Think about that. It means you will get to see your little dog suffer.

[BBB 3]

Great post. Fantastic looking bird.

 

Do you have an address for the falconry club in Bangkok, or have i missed it.

[Mirkwood 342]

Do you have an address for the falconry club in Bangkok, or have i missed it.

 

It's near Chatuchak. I'll meet you and take you first time if you like.

[BBB 3]

Working at the minute but looking to live there in about 3yrs and thinking of ways to fill my time, falconry sounds like a great idea.

[Mirkwood 342]

To the guy looking for a German Shepherd dog.

 

I saw this today. Doesn't look like a bad bet to me.

 

http://classifieds.thaivisa.com/hobbies/pe...sale-75305.html

[maipenrai 476]

Lovely bird and it sounds like a great hobby if you are willing to put the time into it. I've never had any pets myself because I always travelled too much both for work and recreation, and have spent far too much time working in peoples' back yards and encountering miserable animals tied up forever in their own mess and totally neglected. My neighbours have everything from dachshunds to malemutes so I can fuss over them if I wish to.

 

Spending a lifetime in northern Canada, I have certainly seen my share of husky dogs, and while I agree that they make very good pets because of their generally docile temperament, I would say most of them are dumber than posts - then again, as Damon theorizes, maybe it's just the sled dog origins bred into them. I get a real kick out of the animal rights fanatics whining about how these poor sled dogs are mistreated by being made to pull sleds, etc - this is really silly, just attend the start of any sled dog race and you can tell these animals love to run, they are bouncing a meter off the ground in their traces because they are so eager to go.

[Damon 0]

I get a real kick out of the animal rights fanatics whining about how these poor sled dogs are mistreated by being made to pull sleds, etc - this is really silly, just attend the start of any sled dog race and you can tell these animals love to run, they are bouncing a meter off the ground in their traces because they are so eager to go.

 

Oh yeah, they LOVE pulling sleds (or wheeled carts when there isn't any snow). On Vancouver Island where we lived, snow was not a very frequent occurrence so the only way to give ours a taste of "husky work" was with a specialized cart that was essentially a metal sled on 3 wheels. Our "tracks" were empty logging roads and that kind of thing.

 

We didn't take them out often enough to allow them to develop any real stamina (they'd last 2-3km before getting pooped out) but their initial excitement was unbelievable. Around the house we had to be very careful about hiding the harnesses and not letting the dogs see them. If they so much as glimpsed a harness you'd think it was the most exciting thing in their lives. And if you carried one toward them they'd be bouncing 2m into the air and shrieking like a pack of wolves. It was tough to get them calm enough to actually get fitted into the harness and then crated for the trip to the logging road, but it was well worth it.

 

Agreed on the animal rights activists being morons (but then again they usually are). Huskies and all other sled breeds simply love pulling something while they run. Denying them because it's "abuse" is just retarded.

[michael999 0]

Hi Mirkwood,

I would like to buy a dog from Chatuchak market and then I will bring it back to my home country, so , do the sellers of dogs in chatuchak provide buyer with all necessary papers(certificate, etc..) ???? If not , then , how to have a health certificate for the dog in thailand (how long does it take to be prepared) ?

 

Thanks alot

[farangkwaiyai 46]

I recently was looking for a GSD but I decided to go for a 100% Thai Bangkaew!

 

I brought it from the shops next to paradise in BKK, where they had all the handbag dogs.

 

She's a right pest!

 

 

 

Edited January 15, 2011 by farangkwaiyai

[michael999 0]

I recently was looking for a GSD but I decided to go for a 100% Thai Bangkaew!

 

I brought it from the shops next to paradise in BKK, where they had all the handbag dogs.

 

She's a right pest!

 

 

 

 

 

 

nice dog :)

 

did the seller provide you with all necessary papers for this dog?? in how long time was all dog's papers prepared?

 

Thanks

[TrevorMoody 0]

I am looking for a falconer to come to my home in the Pattaya area to remove a load of pidgeons which are creating havoc on my house roof and associated building, is there anyone out there who can help me?

[valkyrie 0]

I am looking for a falconer to come to my home in the Pattaya area to remove a load of pidgeons which are creating havoc on my house roof and associated building, is there anyone out there who can help me?

I got some bird spikes made up at a stainless shop and fitted them on the ledges where pidgeons where roosting,gone away now!