Foreign mafia in Pattaya

[blackpudding 2]

So just how strong do you think the foreign mafia is in Pattaya? The Chinese and Thai gangs seem to have most places sewn up, so how do foreign mafia manage to even get a foothold?

I’ve heard stories about Russian mafia doing pretty well for themselves in Pattaya, and obviously it’s probably the ideal place to make some money disappear, but when it comes to fully-organised gangs running extortion rackets, is it just an urban myth or is it genuinely happening?

I found a feature on foreign mafia in Thailand, and it seems to suggest that most of the Russian businesses in Pattaya are merely fronts for something more suspect. So do the Russians and Chinese gangs simply not step on each other’s turf and somehow manage to co-exist?

[berettakid 26]

with Police taking back handers you often find the police are the controlling mafia in many countries, Unless the thai police were getting some sort of payoff then they would soon prevent this

[joekicker 53]

It's not your nationality, it's the business you're in. You can operate IF and I repeat IF and ONLY IF you do not infringe on operations that already have been established. Don't even think about opening up a new cigarette smuggling route, stay far away if you are thinking about getting into heroin or E or at-sea oil transfers, etc.

 

But if you have a brand new, untried scam, you can run it past the local folks and get a thumbs up. They will probably want a small piece of it but actually will give you lots of protection as you get started if you need. More "industry" is good for everyone, eh? Lots of new jobs and keeps money liquid and all that.

 

That said, Pattaya has seen it all, and a new scam almost certainly would be nationality- or cultural-based, like, say, Russians cheatinig Russians on housing sales (just picked out of the air, not meant to be a real-life example).

 

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[gentlemangeoff 16]

Need to move Tony Soprano and the New Jersey crew in there

[mykl 72]

Much like any corporation the executives from one country travel to their partners countries to discuss business. A Russian supplier of widgets coming to Thailand to meet with a Thai buyer of widgets would be a normal thing. Or a Chinese buyer of whatsits meeting with a Thai seller.

[JONPAT 222]

A.) Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

 

2.) Do unto others as they do unto you.

 

C.) What goes around comes around.

 

4.) Coin of the realm forgives all.

 

Those are THE tenets of the world. Thailand goes by the fourth one, for you that are mathematically inclined.

[joekicker 53]

Need to move Tony Soprano and the New Jersey crew in there rolleyes

 

Heh. The real Mafia tried to horn in on Thai-Hong Kong drug smuggling in the late 1960s. They didn't last three months. Total babes in the woods. They got out while they still could, so at least they were smart if not very ... intelligent.

 

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[TheFiend 1,181]

I know there is some Indian mafia operating in Pattaya.

[Bazle 1,450]

I know there is some Indian mafia operating in Pattaya.

It's known as the Taylors' Guild.

[Idefix 2,275]

I know there is some Indian mafia operating in Pattaya.

I think there is a British mafia too

They try to open pubs and English "food" restaurants everywhere in Pattaya

 

[joekicker 53]

I know there is some Indian mafia operating in Pattaya.

 

Hadn't heard that, although there is Pakistani mafia in Pattaya -- or was. For a while they were actually killing foreigners. Indian mafia is very active in Bangkok.

 

It's known as the Taylors' Guild.

 

Ah. The golf club counterfeiters.

 

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Edited October 6, 2010 by joekicker

[gentlemangeoff 16]

It's known as the Taylors' Guild.

 

 

A real gem.

[mmaaarrrkkk 41]

Hadn't heard that, although there is Pakistani mafia in Pattaya -- or was. For a while they were actually killing foreigners. Indian mafia is very active in Bangkok.

 

 

joe slips! He said Indian not india mafia. Parkistanis are indians by race too!

[joekicker 53]

joe slips! He said Indian not india mafia. Parkistanis are indians by race too! whistling

 

Well, it hadn't occurred to me that this was a thread about race and whistinling. But anyhow. Indians are people from India. And Arizona and Manitoba, of course. And many other places. But it's 2010. Calling Pakistanis Indians is like calling Canadians European.

 

Since we're being pedantic, however: Indian is NOT a race. Most people from India and Pakistan are Caucasians, just like most Canadians. Would you prefer I call anything with majority-Caucasians the Canadian mafia? Somehow, I think that might be confusing.

 

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[mmaaarrrkkk 41]

Well, it hadn't occurred to me that this was a thread about race and whistinling. But anyhow. Indians are people from India. And Arizona and Manitoba, of course. And many other places. But it's 2010. Calling Pakistanis Indians is like calling Canadians European.

 

Since we're being pedantic, however: Indian is NOT a race. Most people from India and Pakistan are Caucasians, just like most Canadians. Would you prefer I call anything with majority-Caucasians the Canadian mafia? Somehow, I think that might be confusing.

 

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Yeah , you;re right. It was just a slow day at the office! People from the region are called Indo-something.

[jacko 8,766]

Yeah , you;re right. It was just a slow day at the office! People from the region are called Indo-something.

Or India benefits office.

[midlifecrisis 4,030]

with Police taking back handers you often find the police are the controlling mafia in many countries, Unless the thai police were getting some sort of payoff then they would soon prevent this

Bullshit.

[Evil Penevil 7,628]

At the day-to-day operational level which most farang tourists or ex-pats would notice, there's very little evidence of foreign "mafia" in Pattaya. The Russians and other E. European mobs use Pattaya mainly for money laundering purposes and whatever scams/extortion they might try are aimed at their own countrymen. With a handful of possible exceptions, the non-Thai women involved in P4P in Pattaya are all beholden to one trafficking group or the other, although the scope of their operations is small. There's just not that much demand for their services, in Bangkok or Pattaya.

 

Iranians are heavily involved in drug smuggling (50 of 70 busts for smuggling ICE at Swampy in the past year involved Iranians). Some pretty heavy-duty amounts involved. Some evidence that S. American drug gangs are targeting Asia and using Bangkok as a destination, but that hasn't become much of a hassle yet for farang punters.

 

At the street level, the most noticeable impact of foreign criminal presence is in Bangkok, with the African guys who hang out between Sukhumvit Sois 3 and 7 Drugs, small-scale pimpin', various scams and the occasional strong-arm stuff. These guys don't belong to one unified group, but are members of loosely organized ganags that sometimes battle each other.

 

But the "black money" scam has reached Pattaya, and that's not an encouraging development. Read about it here: Scam Perpetrators Arrested in South Pattaya.

 

Evil

 

[berettakid 26]

Bullshit.

Following the fall of the Soviet Union, the KGB became involved with organized crime and the Russian mob became a long arm of the KGB.

The KGB often recruited and trained criminals, a task which was previously done by the Interior Ministry (MVD). "Former" and active agents joined international and domestic racketeering gangs, sometimes leading them

 

In June 1996 i was married in Panevezys Lithuania, i spent alot of time there, all i can say there is a very close link with corruption and the police, everything from back handers for legal paperwork, speeding tickets in cops back pockets.

 

there was a case in 1997 of a local car thief taking the car of the wrong person, the guy was arrested and found next day in the forest with a smashed skull.

 

perhaps my definition of mafia is different to yours, but in poorer countries there is sometimes a link

[MM 6,562]

Bullshit.

 

Great contribution to the thread.

 

Care to elaborate?

 

Do you not believe that the Thai police are turning a blind eye to some activities due to payoffs?

 

What exactly is 'bullshit' in the statement you responded to?

 

Or were you just having a Tourette's moment?

[midlifecrisis 4,030]

Or were you just having a Tourette's moment?

after that comment you can go fuck yourself!

 

goodbye!

[TheFiend 1,181]

with Police taking back handers you often find the police are the controlling mafia in many countries, Unless the thai police were getting some sort of payoff then they would soon prevent this

 

You will find a lot of the mafia in Pattaya has a tie-in with the police.

[joekicker 53]

[speechless][/speechless]

 

good grief.

 

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[Guest cocodile]

You will find a lot of the mafia in Pattaya has a tie-in with the police.

 

Well, they both run an extortion racket, that's for sure.

[MM 6,562]

after that comment you can go fuck yourself!

 

goodbye!

Goodness gracious! Wound up pretty tight lately?