Airbus and Boeing products running behind schedule

[jacko 8,813]

And how many orders has the old dinosaur 747 picked up lately? Over the last 3 years they had 5 ordered by Korean and 3 for Business jets!!!

 

The 747 is dying a slow and painful death!!!

That seems harsh... would you prefer it to go out in flames like Concorde.....? Or the Comet...

 

The old jumbo has done pretty well..... I hope the A380 aspires to it's success and reputation.

[MrMango 667]

That seems harsh... would you prefer it to go out in flames like Concorde.....? Or the Comet...

 

The old jumbo has done pretty well..... I hope the A380 aspires to it's success and reputation.

Fat chance, judging by the orders it has received.

[CheshireTom 1,377]

Fat chance, judging by the orders it has received.

 

The 747 gained its orders over a 40 year period. The market for passenger planes will change considerably in the next 10 years, no matter 30. Any predictions as to what will happen in the market over that period is no more than wishful thinking.

[Samsonite 181]

And how many orders has the old dinosaur 747 picked up lately? Over the last 3 years they had 5 ordered by Korean and 3 for Business jets!!!

 

The 747 is dying a slow and painful death!!!

Well, so far total orders for the 747-8I are, 20 to Lufthansa, 5 to Korean Air and 8 have been sold as business or vip jets.

Seventy-six of the freighter version have been sold to date.

 

The aircraft most airlines are using to replace their older 747-400s is Not the A380 or the B747-8, but the Boeing 777-300ER. Boeing has delivered more 777-300ERs in the last 6 years than airbus has accumulated orders for the A380 over the last 10 years.

Edited December 10, 2010 by Samsonite

[TheFiend 1,181]

Well, so far total orders for the 747-8I are, 20 to Lufthansa, 5 to Korean Air and 8 have been sold as business or vip jets.

Seventy-six of the freighter version have been sold to date.

 

If you take the freighters out of the equation the number ordered is 33, of which 8 are biz jets - that is pitiful compared to the A380!!!

[CheshireTom 1,377]

The aircraft most airlines are using to replace their older 747-400s is Not the A380 or the B747-8, but the Boeing 777-300ER. Boeing has delivered more 777-300ERs in the last 6 years than airbus has accumulated orders for the A380 over the last 10 years.

 

Totally irrelevant. One is a 300 pax aircraft and the other is 500+.

[BigDUSA 71]

Totally irrelevant. One is a 300 pax aircraft and the other is 500+.

 

Not when you look at the sales. One is selling like hot cakes and the other is selling like a loaf of stale bread.

[CheshireTom 1,377]

Not when you look at the sales. One is selling like hot cakes and the other is selling like a loaf of stale bread.

 

You conveniently posted the numbers a few days ago, or have you forgotten already? Airbus wide-body sales are around 160 and Boeing's less than 50.

Edited December 10, 2010 by CheshireTom

[BigDUSA 71]

You conveniently posted the numbers a few days ago, or have you forgotten already? Airbus wide-body sales are around 160 and Boeing's less than 50.

 

So far the Airbus A380 is a sales loser and the Boeing 787 is a sales winner and is way over the break even point. The A380 is nowhere close to the break even point.

[CheshireTom 1,377]

So far the Airbus A380 is a sales loser and the Boeing 787 is a sales winner and is way over the break even point. The A380 is nowhere close to the break even point.

 

You have no idea whatsoever what the break-even point is for either aircraft.

[wacmedia 277]

So far the Airbus A380 is a sales loser and the Boeing 787 is a sales winner and is way over the break even point. The A380 is nowhere close to the break even point.

 

Hi,

 

How many are delivered and in commercial operation as of now ?

Edited December 10, 2010 by wacmedia

[TheFiend 1,181]

So far the Airbus A380 is a sales loser and the Boeing 787 is a sales winner and is way over the break even point. The A380 is nowhere close to the break even point.

 

If it's a winner then why has the 7LATE7 lost more sales than it has gained over the last 2 years?

 

And it will only reach break even point if they can actually deliver a plane that doesn't burst into flames at the hint of a short circuit!!!

[Samsonite 181]

Totally irrelevant. One is a 300 pax aircraft and the other is 500+.

Completely relevant!

 

Most airlines don't need or want an aircraft the size of a A380 or 747-8I which is why the 777-300ER has been so successful. The 777-300ER gives the airlines a bit less passenger capacity than a 747-400, but hauls over a 1000 cubic feet more cargo, and the money is in hauling cargo, not passengers. The A380 has little room for cargo after it is filled with the passengers' bags. The 777-300ER has almost the same range as the 747-8 or A380. It uses 2 engines instead of four like the 747 and A380, so it saves money on fuel. It weights over 100,000 pounds less than 747-400, and almost 400,000 less than an A380, so it saves even more fuel and it's reliability rate is better than 99%. It is a win-win for the airlines all the around.

 

Oh, and by the way, the suggested typical 3-class configuration calls for 365 passengers, but some airlines, like Air France are pushing 400. In a single class configuration the 777-300ER can carry 550.

Edited December 10, 2010 by Samsonite

[TheFiend 1,181]

Completely relevant!

 

Most airlines don't need or want an aircraft the size of a A380 or 747-8I which is why the 777-300ER has been so successful. The 777-300ER gives the airlines a bit less passenger capacity than a 747-400, but hauls over a 1000 cubic feet more cargo, and the money is in hauling cargo, not passengers. The A380 has little room for cargo after it is filled with the passengers' bags. The 777-300ER has almost the same range as the 747-8 or A380. It uses 2 engines instead of four like the 747 and A380, so it saves money on fuel. It weights over 100,000 pounds less than 747-400, and almost 400,000 less than an A380, so it saves even more fuel and it's reliability rate is better than 99%. It is a win-win for the airlines all the around.

 

Oh, and by the way, the suggested typical 3-class configuration calls for 365 passengers, but some airlines, like Air France are pushing 400. In a single class configuration the 777-300ER can carry 550.

 

So why are airlines like Emirates displacing the 777 with the A380? Simple..... there is a need for a higher passenger capacity and cramming more seats into an already claustrophobic 777 is not an option.

 

For me it is now possible to fly Manchester -Bangkok by A380 without getting crammed into a claustrophobic 3-4-3 seated 777, thank god!!!

[Samsonite 181]

So why are airlines like Emirates displacing the 777 with the A380? ....

They are not.

It is not hard to believe you know even less about the subject than cheshirepom.

Emirates owns and/or has ordered, at least those bought directly from Boeing, 89 of the various

models of the 777. Seventy of the 89 are 777-300ERs of which 30 were order this year.

 

 

For me it is now possible to fly Manchester -Bangkok by A380 without getting crammed into a claustrophobic 3-4-3 seated 777...

The 777 was not built to be 10 across and God has nothing to do with it. Take that up airlines like Air France who seem to care little about their passengers' comfort.

[CheshireTom 1,377]

Completely relevant!

 

Not.

 

Most airlines don't need or want an aircraft the size of a A380 or 747-8I [/b]which is why the 777-300ER has been so successful.

 

Has been ... in the distant past. Funnily enough, the A330 has outsold it by a considerable margin over the last two years.

[CheshireTom 1,377]

They are not.

 

He just cited you two examples of where they are.

 

Emirates owns and/or has ordered, at least those bought directly from Boeing, 89 of the various

models of the 777. Seventy of the 89 are 777-300ERs of which 30 were order this year.

 

And it has replaced the 777 with the 380 on several routes, and continues to do so. Simple statement of fact.

 

The 777 was not built to be 10 across and God has nothing to do with it. Take that up airlines like Air France who seem to care little about their passengers' comfort.

 

He was referring to Emirates.

 

It is not hard to believe you know even less about the subject than cheshirepom.

 

The bonus is that we don't have to know anything about anything. Both you and the OP are continually making fools of yourselves without any assistance from anyone else.

[TheFiend 1,181]

They are not.

It is not hard to believe you know even less about the subject than cheshirepom.

Emirates owns and/or has ordered, at least those bought directly from Boeing, 89 of the various

models of the 777. Seventy of the 89 are 777-300ERs of which 30 were order this year.

 

Yes, they are displacing 777's..... Some routes/diagrams that were previously used 777's are now getting A380's, as it the easiest/cheapest option to increase capacity without having to add additional flights. Emirates is expanding it's network all the time, hence the extra 777's.

 

The 777 was not built to be 10 across and God has nothing to do with it. Take that up airlines like Air France who seem to care little about their passengers' comfort.

 

The 777 was not built to be 10 across, but they build them that way if the customers order them...

[BigDUSA 71]

You have no idea whatsoever what the break-even point is for either aircraft.

 

Airbus revises A380 break-even point

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By Lester Haines • Get more from this author

 

Posted in Science, 20th October 2006 11:15 GMT

 

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Airbus parent company EADS has announced a new break-even point for its troubled A380 programme - 420 aircraft as opposed to the previous 270, the BBC reports. Current orders for the A380 stand at 159.

 

The A380 roll-out has now been delayed three times due to "wiring problems" and the first example will not be delivered until October 2007.

 

New Airbus big cheese Louis Gallois recently admitted "painful" job losses were likely as a result of the knock-backs, while Rolls-Royce earlier this month suspended A380 engine production while "waiting for more details about requirements from Airbus".

 

Airbus has calculated that the whole sorry saga will cost it €2.8bn in profits over the next four years, added to the €2bn it announced back in June 2006.

 

Airlines, meanwhile, have expressed growing frustration at the situation. Qantas, which won't take delivery of the first of 12 A380s it's ordered until August 2008, recently asked: "How are we going to mount the capacity in the short-term?" Emirates, the biggest customer to date with 43 on order, admitted it was "reviewing its options".

 

On a brighter note, EADS chief financial officer Andreas Sperl told a gathering of analysts and investors that Airbus "still expected to sell more than 750 of its new planes over the life of the project". ®

QUOTE

[Yzi 72]

Airbus revises A380 break-even point

Alert PrintRetweetFacebookNow 420 aircraft, up from 270

 

By Lester Haines • Get more from this author

 

Posted in Science, 20th October 2006 11:15 GMT

 

Free whitepaper – The Register Guide to Enterprise Virtualization

 

Airbus parent company EADS has announced a new break-even point for its troubled A380 programme - 420 aircraft as opposed to the previous 270, the BBC reports. Current orders for the A380 stand at 159.

 

The A380 roll-out has now been delayed three times due to "wiring problems" and the first example will not be delivered until October 2007.

 

New Airbus big cheese Louis Gallois recently admitted "painful" job losses were likely as a result of the knock-backs, while Rolls-Royce earlier this month suspended A380 engine production while "waiting for more details about requirements from Airbus".

 

Airbus has calculated that the whole sorry saga will cost it €2.8bn in profits over the next four years, added to the €2bn it announced back in June 2006.

 

Airlines, meanwhile, have expressed growing frustration at the situation. Qantas, which won't take delivery of the first of 12 A380s it's ordered until August 2008, recently asked: "How are we going to mount the capacity in the short-term?" Emirates, the biggest customer to date with 43 on order, admitted it was "reviewing its options".

 

On a brighter note, EADS chief financial officer Andreas Sperl told a gathering of analysts and investors that Airbus "still expected to sell more than 750 of its new planes over the life of the project". ®

QUOTE

 

 

Very "fresh" quote

Edited December 11, 2010 by Yzi

[BigDUSA 71]

Very "fresh" quote

 

That's the latest figures available. Both Airbus and Boeing has stopped publishing the break even numbers. That being said Airbus A380 isn't even close to break even.

[TheFiend 1,181]

Very "fresh" quote

 

GoogleDenny strikes again!!!!

[Yzi 72]

That's the latest figures available. Both Airbus and Boeing has stopped publishing the break even numbers. That being said Airbus A380 isn't even close to break even.

I would not make hasty conclusions of 4 and half year old post made by one single writer.

[Yzi 72]

GoogleDenny strikes again!!!!

Looks like it's from a real reliable source...Facebook

[CheshireTom 1,377]

The A380 roll-out has now been delayed three times due to "wiring problems" and the first example will not be delivered until October 2007.

 

The roll-out wasn't delayed by wiring problems. It took place some 20 months prior to the article being written.

 

 

Posted in Science, 20th October 2006 11:15 GMT

 

You're getting there - slowly but surely.

 

Now show us how you calculated the 787's BEP after the delays, compensation payments, cancellations, exchange rate movement etc etc have been thrown into the mix. As I said, you haven't got a clue.

Edited December 11, 2010 by CheshireTom