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[neil324 0]

Wasn't that bad, eh?

 

http://g.sports.yahoo.com/soccer/world-cup...eree061810.html

 

At least we aren't moaning like you Brits (like Jamie ) and games like in 1986, where it was would of, could of, should of. The US had the game taken away from them from incompetent referring..

 

erm so the 1986 incident was the correct decision then?

[CheshireTom 1,377]

Having said that, USA soccer-football can now be considered world class.

 

They've been world class for many years as confirmed by their record of qualification for the World Cup.

[davebuczek 21]

erm so the 1986 incident was the correct decision then?

 

No, it was not. But it was in the quarter finals and the Brits still might of lost the game. This was a call that took a sure win away from the US.

[MeGoDanceNow 4,281]

Bad officiating happens in every sport, but in football it seems to be especially a big problem because there aren't enough officials given the size of the pitch and there aren't any video replays.

[joekicker 53]

Having said that, USA soccer-football can now be considered world class. It is only a matter of time, probably less than 10 years, before it will be the number one sport in their country. I hope Vic Vegas will not commit suicide when the best sport on earth will be the most dominant sport in all countries on this planet. D

 

All countries? Dream on.

 

In 10 years, there is not a single solitary lonely tiny sliver of a soupcon of a chance that soccer will be the Number one sport in the US. Not a chance. Or India. Or Australia. Or Japan. Or Cuba. Or Venezuela. Or the Philippines. Or South Afirca. Or any other of the LONG list of countries where it isn't Number 1 today, either, even though World Cups have been held in them.

 

The un-decisive Game 5 of the NBA finals beat the hugely hyped US-England World Cup match in US TV ratings. The decisive NBA Game 7 blew it away. And as for the South Korea-Argentina match (say), it isn't in the ratings game with Nascar. These ratings are for similar/identical TV networks by the way - terrestial ABC network for the NBA-World Cup and popular cable channels for Nascar-World Cup weekday matches.

 

As of today, the biggest rating (audience) ever for a soccer game in the US was in 1999, when about 7 per cent of the country watched the women's World Cup final. You're not going to change that culture in 10 years, sorry. Soccer is a growing spectator sport in popularity in the US. So are lots of others including (gridiron) football, baseball, hockey, Nascar, video games, pro and high school basketball, swimming and women's lacrosse. That's all you can say. It's growing.

 

The New York Post reported the result against England as "USA wins 1-1".

An echo of the 'We must win at all costs' mentality from down the decades?. .

 

Echo. heh. What an EXCELLENT choice of words from the older, parent country. The front pages below tell a good story.

 

The Sun had two standout headlines. The first was a story on the royals William and Harry who were present for the Algeria game:

House of Wincer

 

The other was the main Sun headline on the same match:

Never in the field of World Cup Conflict has so little been offered by so few to so many

 

 

 

 

 

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Edited June 19, 2010 by joekicker

[ozijeff 9]

That is an interesting observation about the small Slovenian population. Slovenia has a population of 2 (two) million people versus the USA 300 million plus. A small country like Slovenia should be given at least a 2 goal bonus against a football country like the USA before the start of the game plus an extra player, to make it a fair contest.

 

I enjoyed watching the game with the many fanatical American supporters in the crowd "rooting" for their team. Having said that, USA soccer-football can now be considered world class. It is only a matter of time, probably less than 10 years, before it will be the number one sport in their country. I hope Vic Vegas will not commit suicide when the best sport on earth will be the most dominant sport in all countries on this planet.

 

Just to put Slovenias effort into perspective again, they defeated Russia to put them out of this World Cup Finals.

(The population of Russia is 141,927,297 as of 1 January 2010)

I didnt check all preliminary results but the also put the Ukraine (Pop 45,905,341 April 2010) out of the cup.

 

Also the plucky little Slovs beat Algeria the other day.

(Currently there are 24,182,736 Algerians)

 

So far then Slovenia has broken the hearts of almost 1/2 Billion people. Thats a fair effort and maybe they aint done yet?

 

I like cinderella stories.

Edited June 19, 2010 by ozijeff

[bigdelta 46]

And he missed Dempsey's red card high elbow in the first minute or so, TOTALLY missed it. That also was a game changer. Let's not forget that he didn't let in two Slovenia goals, eh?

 

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Agree totally.But after watching ESPN 360 AXIS,there were 2 other card fouls on that disallowed goal,so yes,he had blown the whistle as soon as the ball was struck.On 360 AXIS,every player was shown from any angle and there were no fouls and certainly no offsides.

[bigdelta 46]

dO YOU KNOW THE WORD,

scenario

 

Also i dont think there are many england supporters who give us a chance of getting to the quarters,unlike then yanks who think they are brilliant,good yes but not in the same class as the top 5

Did UK move up 3 places since the WC started?They are #8.WE NEVER said we were good and if you'd followed my WC posts,my opinion once again is the US is not a good team,but a team on a long,slow downward spiral.We have 2 good players,Dempsey and Donovan,and an excellent keeper in Howard.But then again,he's our #2 behind Brad Friedel.

Most UK supporters fully expected at least a QF round,if not more.

[bigdelta 46]

The New York Post reported the result against England as "USA wins 1-1".

 

An echo of the 'We must win at all costs' mentality from down the decades?. .

Wow,a fresh headline from a week ago.Thanks for that.

No,I believe it's a save Britain again at all costs mentality,but I've stooped to answer your slur.

[bigdelta 46]

They've been world class for many years as confirmed by their record of qualification for the World Cup.

True Tom,but we're in a automatic qualifying group,like Australia.But unlike Australia's group,other teams from our group have actually qualified for the WC.

Bahrain

Qatar

Uzbekistan

[bigdelta 46]

All countries? Dream on.

 

In 10 years, there is not a single solitary lonely tiny sliver of a soupcon of a chance that soccer will be the Number one sport in the US. Not a chance. Or India. Or Australia. Or Japan. Or Cuba. Or Venezuela. Or the Philippines. Or South Afirca. Or any other of the LONG list of countries where it isn't Number 1 today, either, even though World Cups have been held in them.

 

The un-decisive Game 5 of the NBA finals beat the hugely hyped US-England World Cup match in US TV ratings. The decisive NBA Game 7 blew it away. And as for the South Korea-Argentina match (say), it isn't in the ratings game with Nascar. These ratings are for similar/identical TV networks by the way - terrestial ABC network for the NBA-World Cup and popular cable channels for Nascar-World Cup weekday matches.

 

As of today, the biggest rating (audience) ever for a soccer game in the US was in 1999, when about 7 per cent of the country watched the women's World Cup final. You're not going to change that culture in 10 years, sorry. Soccer is a growing spectator sport in popularity in the US. So are lots of others including (gridiron) football, baseball, hockey, Nascar, video games, pro and high school basketball, swimming and women's lacrosse. That's all you can say. It's growing.

 

 

 

Echo. heh. What an EXCELLENT choice of words from the older, parent country. The front pages below tell a good story.

 

The Sun had two standout headlines. The first was a story on the royals William and Harry who were present for the Algeria game:

House of Wincer

 

The other was the main Sun headline on the same match:

Never in the field of World Cup Conflict has so little been offered by so few to so many

 

 

 

 

 

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Thanks for my new signature line Joe:

"Never in the field of World Cup Conflict has so little been offered by so few to so many".

Great pic of His Highness looking down,thinking,"I don't deserve this #10.

Edited June 19, 2010 by LTGTR

[CheshireTom 1,377]

True Tom,but we're in a automatic qualifying group,like Australia.But unlike Australia's group,other teams from our group have actually qualified for the WC.

Bahrain

Qatar

Uzbekistan

 

Japan qualified from the same group as the Aussies.

[bigdelta 46]

Japan qualified from the same group as the Aussies.

Yes I realize that-that's why I didn't include them.I included teams that will never qualify.Bahrain,Qatar,Uzbekistan.Hence the auto qualify every 4 years.And to show how poorly Japan has been in the WC held outside their own country in '02,they had yet to win a match until now.Or was that Korea?I'm old and can't remember.Soccer has been in a downward spiral since '02 when they were the host nations.

Edited June 19, 2010 by LTGTR

[rogero 4]

Please Please Please !

 

UK (England, Scotland,Wales & N.Ireland) are not in the WC & do not play as a collective.

GB (England, Scotland & Wales) are not in the WC & do not play as a collective.

 

England however are in the WC (how long for is another story).

 

My Betfair account is presently @ £00.07 & hopefully will improve after Wed when England wake up and play some decent football.

 

I also hope USA qualify for the next stage & the general popularity of football in the states will improve when the public realise they actually have

a pretty good team.

 

Anyhow some great posts here from football lovers & others.

 

cheers rogero :beer

[Gonzo 419]

True Tom,but we're in a automatic qualifying group,like Australia.But unlike Australia's group,other teams from our group have actually qualified for the WC.

Bahrain

Qatar

Uzbekistan

Australia has never been in an automatic qualifying group like the USA. Get your facts right!

[joekicker 53]

Australia has never been in an automatic qualifying group like the USA. Get your facts right! rolleyes

 

What, never?

 

No! Never!

 

What? Never?

 

Well... hardly ever.

 

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[CheshireTom 1,377]

I included teams that will never qualify.Bahrain,Qatar ......

 

Don't underestimate the Qataris bid for 2022.

[nidnoyham 30]

You know what ?

 

Now I know why America doesn't play it's top sports on a world stage.

 

It would give others the chance to take the piss out of them, like they do.

 

Keep Baseball, Basketball, NHL within the silver seas- that way we won't look bad at our 'own game' to outsiders, should we lose.

 

Not to mention the shock to the entire nation, with the realization that there may be people living elsewhere in the world, who can beat them at something.

 

Hollywood will have to rewrite the final (losing) score.

 

And we are English ! ! !

Edited June 21, 2010 by nidnoyham

[atlas2 4,329]

Thanks for my new signature line Joe:

"Never in the field of World Cup Conflict has so little been offered by so few to so many".

Great pic of His Highness looking down,thinking,"I don't deserve this #10.

 

 

To be fair to joe'k he didn't put your new 'signature line' in quotes because from the context it's origin is clear.

 

As for me, in the 'best sport tussle' I enjoy American Football.........Probably would like baseball if I had a patient yank to explain it to me. Basketball, like most sports I've played myself at a rudimentary level and therefore can grasp its appeal as a sport to play...........but I can't help but get really bored watching it..............Maybe one day that will change. ........But I feel the main reason for basketball's popularity in the USA is the main reason for 'soccer's' relative unpopularity. There is a surfeit of scoring in basketball, relative to completed passes. It's the opposite in 'Soccer'.......The most exciting part of basketball 'for me' is when, against expectation, a team in possession actually doesn't score. In contrast sometimes a closely fought nil/nil draw in football (you know what sport I'm talking about by now) can be wonderfully exciting. Americans though, weened on basketball would feel cheated by a 0.0 score or a 1.0 come to that. Football can never compete in scores and is unlikely to ever supplante Basketball or any of their major sports.

 

And why 'should' it? They're happy..........we're happy.......Well not quite happy.........if your English........rest of Britain though!!

[ozijeff 9]

True Tom,but we're in a automatic qualifying group,like Australia.But unlike Australia's group,other teams from our group have actually qualified for the WC.

Bahrain

Qatar

Uzbekistan

 

Well I did little checking.

The USA beat the following international powerhouses to qualify,

Barbados (256,000)

Trinidad and Tobago (1,339,000)

Cuba (11,269,400)

Guatemala (14,027,000)

 

Group 1 Team MP W D L GF GA Pts

USA *6 5 0 1 14 3 15

Trinidad and Tobago * 6 3 2 1 9 6 11

Guatemala 6 1 2 3 6 7 5

Cuba 6 1 0 5 5 18 3

 

Impressive.

Interestingly where were the matches againt Cuba played?

 

Actually going through the results to see how teams qualified does make interesting reading.

http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/preliminaries...gs/round12.html

 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_count...ulation_density

Edited June 21, 2010 by ozijeff

[joekicker 53]

Now I know why America doesn't play it's top sports on a world stage.

 

Don't watch the Olympics then, Little One? You skip all the international championships of baseball, hockey, basketball, race car driving? You don't watch the World Cup of football? That's weird. I thought you liked football.

 

Yes nid, yes, soccer *is* a top sport in the USA, yes it is. It's a country with a *lot* of top sports, as amazing as that may seem to you. So is auto racing. Yes, nid, basketball *is* a world sport, and one the USA not only competes in, but frequently is beaten, sort of like England in its top sports. Yes, really, truly, baseball *is* the national sport of countries that are not the USA, and oceans (plural) away from the New York Yankees. Believe it or not, there are countries that are not the USA that play hockey, imagine that.

 

Interestingly where were the matches againt Cuba played?

 

Another one. You've got this Google thing. You've got archives up the arxe. But you can't beat a STUPID urban legend like "the US doesn't allow Cuban teams into the United States".

 

Cuban teams and individuals (boxers, chiefly) play in the US like those from other countries. They don't play much soccer in Cuba, it's sort of like India about that. But their national sport is baseball and their teams play in the US, including for the world championship.

 

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Edited June 21, 2010 by joekicker

[midlifecrisis 4,048]

Bad officiating happens in every sport, but in football it seems to be especially a big problem because there aren't enough officials given the size of the pitch and there aren't any video replays.

Apologies if someone else posted this but I don't have time to read all of your comments.

 

Regarding the official from Mali, he has been banned from officiating any more WC games this year.

[CheshireTom 1,377]

Apologies if someone else posted this but I don't have time to read all of your comments.

 

Regarding the official from Mali, he has been banned from officiating any more WC games this year.

 

He's not been selected to officiate in the games taking place on 22/23 June. He officiated in the Italy - New Zealand game yesterday. It may be that he's not selected to referee any more games, but he hasn't been banned. Not sticking up for the guy - it looks like a bad call on his part but refereeing decisions tend to even themselves out in the long run. Except for that friggin' Soviet linesman in '66! Mind you they erected a statue in his memory and named the national stadium after him, so the guy from Mali may have the last laugh after all.

Edited June 21, 2010 by CheshireTom

[ozijeff 9]

Don't watch the Olympics then, Little One? You skip all the international championships of baseball, hockey, basketball, race car driving? You don't watch the World Cup of football? That's weird. I thought you liked football.

 

Yes nid, yes, soccer *is* a top sport in the USA, yes it is. It's a country with a *lot* of top sports, as amazing as that may seem to you. So is auto racing. Yes, nid, basketball *is* a world sport, and one the USA not only competes in, but frequently is beaten, sort of like England in its top sports. Yes, really, truly, baseball *is* the national sport of countries that are not the USA, and oceans (plural) away from the New York Yankees. Believe it or not, there are countries that are not the USA that play hockey, imagine that.

 

 

 

Another one. You've got this Google thing. You've got archives up the arxe. But you can't beat a STUPID urban legend like "the US doesn't allow Cuban teams into the United States".

 

Cuban teams and individuals (boxers, chiefly) play in the US like those from other countries. They don't play much soccer in Cuba, it's sort of like India about that. But their national sport is baseball and their teams play in the US, including for the world championship.

 

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I didnt know thats why I asked smartarse.

Thanks for the educated response.

[bigdelta 46]

Please Please Please !

 

UK (England, Scotland,Wales & N.Ireland) are not in the WC & do not play as a collective.

GB (England, Scotland & Wales) are not in the WC & do not play as a collective.

 

England however are in the WC (how long for is another story).

 

My Betfair account is presently @ £00.07 & hopefully will improve after Wed when England wake up and play some decent football.

 

I also hope USA qualify for the next stage & the general popularity of football in the states will improve when the public realise they actually have

a pretty good team.

 

Anyhow some great posts here from football lovers & others.

 

cheers rogero :D

I use "UK" for 2 reasons.It's shorter than Britain and it pokes UK fans.

I fully understand what UK and Holland are called at the WC.

I won my "teaser" bet today that Communists would surrender at least 5 goals.............7 by Portugal!