The demise of Pattaya

[Evil Penevil 7,628]

Um. Well, yes, TAT is certainly doing that. Spending quite a lot of money on exactly that. Quite successfully, too.

 

You're doing EXACTLY what the OP and numerous posters did, claiming that it's some sort of either/or - either they get white people OR they get Indians/Chinese. That's quite wrong, very wrong.

 

 

I never claimed it is any sort of either/or situation between ""white people" or Indians/Chinese, nor do I believe it. Russians are predominately Caucasian (more than 80% of the population) and they are certainly being targeted by TAT. Moreover, from the context of this thread, it's clear we're talking about Pattaya as a destination and from the perspective of growth in tourist visits by families and other "non-sex tourists," there is a far bigger potential for filling hotel rooms with guests from Russia, China and India than North America, West Europe and Australia.

 

Evil

[Parkwahn 61]

Waterpark-

Underwater world-

Bowling alleys x 3

Cinema x 3

Crocodile Farm

Floating Market-

koh Lar-

Golf Courses-

Shopping Malls-

Markets-

Health Spas-

 

 

All these are there for cheap charlie brass hunters

 

Whether thse chumps like it Pattaya is more than hookers and booze to many families...

[sinbinjack 251]

A classic. But yes, I definitely screwed up and you are right. There are very few European families on the deckchairs at Pattaya beach at midnight, or five hours either side of midnight.

 

Why do you insist on being a tool.I posted a perfectly civil answer and you twist it to suit your argument. I purposely did not try to be argumentative only to say that I personally had never seen the beach busy at all except on those occasions when there was a special occasion.I mentioned that I did not get down to beach rd often in the daylight ,I did not say I only got down there at midnight,I did say I only come to Pattaya in the low season.Are you saying I am lying and that I have seen crowds of farang families or are you as usual being disingenuous because you have no real argument and only conjecture, like the rest of us.

[joekicker 53]

Are you saying I am lying and that I have seen crowds of farang families or are you as usual being disingenuous because you have no real argument and only conjecture, like the rest of us.

 

How would I know what you saw? But I do know what *I* saw and see - Europeans with their bums on deck chairs (and sand) on Pattaya beaches. (squint) Are you saying I am lying?

 

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[joekicker 53]

I never claimed it is any sort of either/or situation between ""white people" or Indians/Chinese, nor do I believe it. Russians are predominately Caucasian (more than 80% of the population) and they are certainly being targeted by TAT. Moreover, from the context of this thread, it's clear we're talking about Pattaya as a destination and from the perspective of growth in tourist visits by families and other "non-sex tourists," there is a far bigger potential for filling hotel rooms with guests from Russia, China and India than North America, West Europe and Australia.

 

This is the designated site for people in the USA looking for authoritative information from the Tourism Authority of Thailand's official website at (www.tourismthailand.org). You get to choose where you are on the front page of the site, and you see info tailored for your location. You can do it for the UK and Australia, among others. I want to stipulate that I'm using the website as an easy example. There are millions of baht worth of magazines, brochures, books, films, podcasts, DVDs and much, much more promoting Pattaya as a family destination for people in the US - and also the UK and Australia.

 

As it says in its introduction on Pattaya for the US family:

 

 

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[btm1735 232]

This is the designated site for people in the USA looking for authoritative information from the Tourism Authority of Thailand's official website at (www.tourismthailand.org). You get to choose where you are on the front page of the site, and you see info tailored for your location. You can do it for the UK and Australia, among others. I want to stipulate that I'm using the website as an easy example. There are millions of baht worth of magazines, brochures, books, films, podcasts, DVDs and much, much more promoting Pattaya as a family destination for people in the US - and also the UK and Australia.

 

As it says in its introduction on Pattaya for the US family:

 

 

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Almost sounds as wholesome as Branson, MO USA.

 

They can package it anyway they want it, but anybody just has to google images for Pattaya or YouTube Pattaya to see what's up. It may not be the monger that is targeted or spends the most money (not entirely sure what the truth is) but the mongering scene is a big part of Pattaya even if it only one more zoo for the straight tourists to gawk at.

[joekicker 53]

They can package it anyway they want it, but anybody just has to google images for Pattaya or YouTube Pattaya to see what's up. It may not be the monger that is targeted or spends the most money (not entirely sure what the truth is) but the mongering scene is a big part of Pattaya even if it only one more zoo for the straight tourists to gawk at.

 

I'm neither promoting nor rejecting it, or arguing either way. I go there a lot with my family. That's me.

 

I made a totally, completely, altogether, entirely different point, which is fact, not opinion, and that is that Thailand spends a lot of money marketing Pattaya as a family destination for people in the US, Australia and the UK.

 

But seriously folks. I used "google.com" here, i.e. the US site. I searched for Pattaya images as you said. Do you see "what's up?" Looks pretty good to me -- a LOT better than it actually looks, in fact. But nothing there makes me go, "No way, honey, I forbid you and the kids to go".

 

 

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Edited September 14, 2011 by joekicker

[Gabor 296]

http://www.bangkokpost.com/travel/news/256119/land-of-smiles-ranked-among-best-destinations

 

Land of Smiles ranked among best destinations

 

Published: 12/09/2011 at 12:00 AM

Newspaper section: Life

 

Thailand has been voted the 4th top World Best Destination, up from 19th last year, according to the UK magazine Conde Nast Traveller's Travel Awards.

 

Phuket now ranks among the World’s Top Island Destinations.

 

Italy took 1st place followed by the United States and Turkey. Thailand was trailed by France, India, Australia, South Africa, New Zealand and Greece.

 

According to Conde Nast Traveller, Italy was also ranked high for its culture and cuisine, while South Africa offers the best scenery and Turkey outdoes the competition for its value for money.

 

Among the ranks of the World's Top Island Destinations, Phuket was ranked 10th, but was given high scores for value for money and for hospitality; according to the magazine, the island resort was a place where one can find "luxury-on-a-budget and a friendly welcome".

 

Among the top nine in this category are the Greek Islands, the Maldives, Bali, Barbados in the Caribbean, Mauritius in the Indian Ocean, the Balearics in the Mediterranean, Zanzibar in the Indian Ocean, St Lucia in the eastern Caribbean and the Seychelles in Indian Ocean.

 

The survey also listed the best hotels in Asia and the Indian Subcontinent. Four hotels here were listed among the top 20: Four Seasons Resort Chiang Mai (3rd), which has the highest standard comfort of accommodation, the Mandarin Oriental Dhara Dhevi in Chiang Mai (12th), Anantara Phuket (14th) and Amanpuri in Phuket (17th).

 

For the top Overseas Business Hotels, the Upper House in Hong Kong lead with top marks for ambience/decor and standard/comfort of accommodation, while the Sukhothai Hotel in Bangkok ranked 20th among the worldwide best business hotels.

 

Among worldwide destination spas, Chiva-Som International Health Resort in Hua Hin was voted the 2nd best with high scores for accommodation and service/staff, while the leader in this category was the BodyHoliday of LeSport on St Lucia, which gained top marks for exercise programmes and facilities.

 

The Six Senses Spa at Six Senses Samui, on the other hand, was the winner of this year's overseas hotels top spa, gaining credit for offering an individual approach and body treatments.

 

In the airline category, Virgin Atlantic was the winner for long-haul holidays with top marks for luggage handling, convenience of scheduling and punctuality/efficiency, while Emirates provided the best in-flight entertainment. Singapore Airlines has the highest standards of service/staff, while Cathay Pacific has the best loyalty reward scheme.

 

Among low-cost airlines, the lead was taken by Bmibaby, a British outfit, while Air Asia (3rd) received high marks for being value for money, and the UK's Jet2 was noted for its child-friendliness.

 

Regarding the world's best airport, Hong Kong International Airport bagged 1st position with top marks for design/layout and shopping/duty-free facilities, followed by Singapore's Changi International Airport and London Heathrow's Terminal.

 

For more details, visit www.cntraveller.com/awards/readers-travel-awards/the-readers-travel-awards-2011/

 

Seoul mates

 

The Seoul Metropolitan Government has joined hands with Happy Korea by KTCC and GMM Grammy to introduce an online competition to take two lucky couples to Seoul.

 

The winners will have a chance to follow in the footsteps of two travel programmes _ Wake Club and Sisterday _ to explore the South Korean capital for three days.

 

The winning prize also includes accommodation, a guide and round-trip tickets. Other prizes for lucky winners include iPads, iPod Nanos and USB flash drives.

 

For more information, visit www.visitseoul.net or call 02-539-7387 ext 43.

 

Airlines update

 

- Low-cost airline Nok Air will launch a direct flight from Bangkok to Phrae on October 1.

 

It will fly three times a week (Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday) using a 34-seat SAAB 340B charted from Siam General Aviation or Nok Mini.

 

The reservations can be made today at www.nokair.com.

 

- The Air Transport Rating Agency has launched its first annual study on the world's top 10 safest airlines.

 

The Geneva-based agency used data from historic accident rates combined with 15 other criteria such as net financial results, average fleet age in service, in house maintenance capability and dedicated flight academy pilot-training facilities.

 

The top 10 safest carriers in alphabetical order are: Air France-KLM, AMR Corporation (American Airlines, American Eagle), British Airways, Continental Airlines, Delta Airlines, Japan Airlines, Lufthansa, Southwest Airlines, United Airlines and US Airways.

 

- Emirates will launch daily non-stop flights from Dubai to Rio de Janeiro and extend to Buenos Aires on Jan 3 next year.

 

The expanding routes to the two South America cities also offer an alternative choice for travellers from Thailand to explore Brazil and Argentina, said Khalid Bardan, Emirates' area manager for Thailand and Indochina.

 

The airline plans to use Boeing 777-300ER aircraft offering eight First Class Private Suites, 42 lie-flat seats in Business and 304 seats in Economy for the new routes.

 

Hotels update

 

- Accor will open Mercure Krabi Deevana as its first hotel at Ao Nang, Krabi in October. The hotel will have a chic design with contemporary low-rise buildings. It will feature 213 rooms and suites, each with a private balcony, a restaurant and bars, three large outdoor swimming pools, a kid's pool and a spa as well as meeting and events facilities.

 

The hotel is about 30 minutes' drive from Krabi International Airport and 20 minutes to the city.

 

Visit www.mercurekrabideevana.com for more details.

 

- Eastin Grand Hotel Sathorn Bangkok will be open in December. Located near Surasak BTS station, the hotel will offer 390 rooms and suites with sizes ranging from 30sqm-78sqm. The hotel will also have a family floor with facilities for families with children, a play room, three restaurants, a swimming pool, a fitness centre, an internet corner, an executive lounge on the 32nd floor, grand ballrooms, three meeting rooms and two boardrooms.

 

- Hilton has opened the Conrad Koh Samui. Located on a 63-rai plot of land on Ao Thai Beach, the hotel features 80 villas with private plunge pools and sundecks. Each villa is built in contemporary Thai-style, with the options of one or two bedrooms. They come equipped with iPod docking station, a LCD flat-screen with a DVD player, an oversized bathtub and glass-walled rain shower.

 

Other facilities include restaurants, a lounge, a spa, a fitness centre, an outdoor yoga pavillion, an on-site diving and sailing centre and a pier.

 

Conrad Koh Samu is 28 kilometres from the airport to the west side of the island.

[bratpack 91]

Waterpark-

Underwater world-

Bowling alleys x 3

Cinema x 3

Crocodile Farm

Floating Market-

koh Lar-

Golf Courses-

Shopping Malls-

Markets-

Health Spas-

 

 

All these are there for cheap charlie brass hunters

 

Whether thse chumps like it Pattaya is more than hookers and booze to many families...

 

 

Elephant safari

hot weather

amazing thai food

kHOA sAMET

Khao Chang

Zoos

Decent beaches not far away

Very good priced hotels

Parachuting

Horse riding

Entertainment venues in the evening

 

AMAZING THAILAND

[dontcha 53]

Elephant safari

hot weather

amazing thai food

kHOA sAMET

Khao Chang

Zoos

Decent beaches not far away

Very good priced hotels

Parachuting

Horse riding

Entertainment venues in the evening

 

AMAZING THAILAND

 

 

I like Pattaya but those family tourists can get everything you listed in Hua Hin or Phuket and they will have lovely beaches to swim in.

Even if they cleaned up the beach the sand is far too coarse.

I was in the Canary Islands 2 years ago for a fortnight and all in costs were cheaper than a flight to LOS .... hookers were available at not much more than what you pay in Pattaya.

Plenty of Thai food available and a massage on the beach was €10 (less if you bargained)

You can pick up horny regular girls in their 20's-30's that are looking for one night stands.

Pattaya may be an option for Asian Russians but for the European Russians I would imagine White Sands in Bulgaria or Odessa are much better options than Pattaya.

The income that mongers provide is being seriously down played by many board members.

Lots of mongers (myself included) spend 400,000-500,000 baht per year in Pattaya .... do they really want to loose us.

Does your average Russian tourist spend half a million baht per year in Pattaya

[bratpack 91]

I like Pattaya but those family tourists can get everything you listed in Hua Hin or Phuket and they will have lovely beaches to swim in.

Even if they cleaned up the beach the sand is far too coarse.

I was in the Canary Islands 2 years ago for a fortnight and all in costs were cheaper than a flight to LOS .... hookers were available at not much more than what you pay in Pattaya.

Plenty of Thai food available and a massage on the beach was €10 (less if you bargained)

You can pick up horny regular girls in their 20's-30's that are looking for one night stands.

Pattaya may be an option for Asian Russians but for the European Russians I would imagine White Sands in Bulgaria or Odessa are much better options than Pattaya.

The income that mongers provide is being seriously down played by many board members.

Lots of mongers (myself included) spend 400,000-500,000 baht per year in Pattaya .... do they really want to loose us.

Does your average Russian tourist spend half a million baht per year in Pattaya

 

 

I agree with some point mate,but dont forget that many tourists are not European and its easier to get to Pattaya,and some even venture to Hua Hin for a few days.Pattaya is a good spot for a tourist to travel to different parts of Thailand,including khoa larn and khao Samet,Khao Chang too.We all know deep down that Pattaya is changing but there will always always be hookers here,for the people who want a mongers holiday,and as a part time monger now,i spend about 700,000 baht a year,but restaraunts,garages,true vision,private medical company,new motorbikes etc etc, get my money

[CheshireTom 1,377]

Does your average Russian tourist spend half a million baht per year in Pattaya

 

Does your average western monger spend 10,000 quid a year in Pattaya? That's 12k Baht a day, every day for six weeks. I seriously doubt it.

 

 

Pattaya may be an option for Asian Russians but for the European Russians I would imagine White Sands in Bulgaria or Odessa are much better options than Pattaya.

 

Odessa has some obvious downsides.

 

 

 

Edited September 14, 2011 by CheshireTom

[joekicker 53]

Lots of mongers (myself included) spend 400,000-500,000 baht per year in Pattaya .... do they really want to loose us.

 

Bzzzzzzzt!

 

You're not even reading the thread. The DEVELOPMENT of Pattaya is not a question of either/or. It's a question of expansion, just like business anywhere else in the world. You (white) people are NOT going to be kicked out. As always, what you do will be up to you.

 

More people from more places will CONTINUE to come to Pattaya. There will be changes because of that. Some will like that, some won't, just like all the changes already made in Pattaya in the past, oh, 45 years.

 

P.S. Are you really claiming that you are on track to spend 400,000 baht ($13,000-plus) in Thailand this year?

 

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[Obsession 571]

Jeebus. Yes, it's definitely me. Has to be me. Couldn't be anything or anyone else. It's definitely my posting that does this. If I didn't post, everything would be perfect in your life. Including doing quotes in Internet forum posts, the last little bump between you and your almost ended quest for perfection in your life.

 

However. I didn't delete anything.

 

 

When I quoted your post, then other gibberish in your dumbass, difficult bastard style came up after the post you'd posted. However it didn't have it on the thread. I saw you had edited your post, so I took it that you had deleted it. Deny it if you want. It's no big deal.

 

Let's agree to disagree Joe. I don't think western Euros would be happy to sit on a crappy beach breathing in pollution as you claim. Or for that matter, be happy with Pattaya as a resort at all. Especially when they have flown 6,000 miles and spent more than double a better resort. IMHO. Sure, they will sit there as they have paid for the holiday. But they won't be happy as you claim.

 

And look up the Union Jack flag you see next to my board name and that will tell you what part of the world I am giving an opinion from, rather than waste my time with your dumb ass comments.

 

You are being pedantic with 2 other BMs, so please concentrate on them. I have finished with your unfriendly, difficult cunt ass and will be putting you on ignore.

[Obsession 571]

http://www.bangkokpost.com/travel/news/256119/land-of-smiles-ranked-among-best-destinations

 

Land of Smiles ranked among best destinations

 

Published: 12/09/2011 at 12:00 AM

Newspaper section: Life

 

Thailand has been voted the 4th top World Best Destination, up from 19th last year, according to the UK magazine Conde Nast Traveller's Travel Awards.

 

Phuket now ranks among the World’s Top Island Destinations.

 

Italy took 1st place followed by the United States and Turkey. Thailand was trailed by France, India, Australia, South Africa, New Zealand and Greece.

 

According to Conde Nast Traveller, Italy was also ranked high for its culture and cuisine, while South Africa offers the best scenery and Turkey outdoes the competition for its value for money.

 

Among the ranks of the World's Top Island Destinations, Phuket was ranked 10th, but was given high scores for value for money and for hospitality; according to the magazine, the island resort was a place where one can find "luxury-on-a-budget and a friendly welcome".

 

Among the top nine in this category are the Greek Islands, the Maldives, Bali, Barbados in the Caribbean, Mauritius in the Indian Ocean, the Balearics in the Mediterranean, Zanzibar in the Indian Ocean, St Lucia in the eastern Caribbean and the Seychelles in Indian Ocean.

 

The survey also listed the best hotels in Asia and the Indian Subcontinent. Four hotels here were listed among the top 20: Four Seasons Resort Chiang Mai (3rd), which has the highest standard comfort of accommodation, the Mandarin Oriental Dhara Dhevi in Chiang Mai (12th), Anantara Phuket (14th) and Amanpuri in Phuket (17th).

 

For the top Overseas Business Hotels, the Upper House in Hong Kong lead with top marks for ambience/decor and standard/comfort of accommodation, while the Sukhothai Hotel in Bangkok ranked 20th among the worldwide best business hotels.

 

Among worldwide destination spas, Chiva-Som International Health Resort in Hua Hin was voted the 2nd best with high scores for accommodation and service/staff, while the leader in this category was the BodyHoliday of LeSport on St Lucia, which gained top marks for exercise programmes and facilities.

 

The Six Senses Spa at Six Senses Samui, on the other hand, was the winner of this year's overseas hotels top spa, gaining credit for offering an individual approach and body treatments.

 

In the airline category, Virgin Atlantic was the winner for long-haul holidays with top marks for luggage handling, convenience of scheduling and punctuality/efficiency, while Emirates provided the best in-flight entertainment. Singapore Airlines has the highest standards of service/staff, while Cathay Pacific has the best loyalty reward scheme.

 

Among low-cost airlines, the lead was taken by Bmibaby, a British outfit, while Air Asia (3rd) received high marks for being value for money, and the UK's Jet2 was noted for its child-friendliness.

 

Regarding the world's best airport, Hong Kong International Airport bagged 1st position with top marks for design/layout and shopping/duty-free facilities, followed by Singapore's Changi International Airport and London Heathrow's Terminal.

 

For more details, visit www.cntraveller.com/awards/readers-travel-awards/the-readers-travel-awards-2011/

 

Seoul mates

 

The Seoul Metropolitan Government has joined hands with Happy Korea by KTCC and GMM Grammy to introduce an online competition to take two lucky couples to Seoul.

 

The winners will have a chance to follow in the footsteps of two travel programmes _ Wake Club and Sisterday _ to explore the South Korean capital for three days.

 

The winning prize also includes accommodation, a guide and round-trip tickets. Other prizes for lucky winners include iPads, iPod Nanos and USB flash drives.

 

For more information, visit www.visitseoul.net or call 02-539-7387 ext 43.

 

Airlines update

 

- Low-cost airline Nok Air will launch a direct flight from Bangkok to Phrae on October 1.

 

It will fly three times a week (Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday) using a 34-seat SAAB 340B charted from Siam General Aviation or Nok Mini.

 

The reservations can be made today at www.nokair.com.

 

- The Air Transport Rating Agency has launched its first annual study on the world's top 10 safest airlines.

 

The Geneva-based agency used data from historic accident rates combined with 15 other criteria such as net financial results, average fleet age in service, in house maintenance capability and dedicated flight academy pilot-training facilities.

 

The top 10 safest carriers in alphabetical order are: Air France-KLM, AMR Corporation (American Airlines, American Eagle), British Airways, Continental Airlines, Delta Airlines, Japan Airlines, Lufthansa, Southwest Airlines, United Airlines and US Airways.

 

- Emirates will launch daily non-stop flights from Dubai to Rio de Janeiro and extend to Buenos Aires on Jan 3 next year.

 

The expanding routes to the two South America cities also offer an alternative choice for travellers from Thailand to explore Brazil and Argentina, said Khalid Bardan, Emirates' area manager for Thailand and Indochina.

 

The airline plans to use Boeing 777-300ER aircraft offering eight First Class Private Suites, 42 lie-flat seats in Business and 304 seats in Economy for the new routes.

 

Hotels update

 

- Accor will open Mercure Krabi Deevana as its first hotel at Ao Nang, Krabi in October. The hotel will have a chic design with contemporary low-rise buildings. It will feature 213 rooms and suites, each with a private balcony, a restaurant and bars, three large outdoor swimming pools, a kid's pool and a spa as well as meeting and events facilities.

 

The hotel is about 30 minutes' drive from Krabi International Airport and 20 minutes to the city.

 

Visit www.mercurekrabideevana.com for more details.

 

- Eastin Grand Hotel Sathorn Bangkok will be open in December. Located near Surasak BTS station, the hotel will offer 390 rooms and suites with sizes ranging from 30sqm-78sqm. The hotel will also have a family floor with facilities for families with children, a play room, three restaurants, a swimming pool, a fitness centre, an internet corner, an executive lounge on the 32nd floor, grand ballrooms, three meeting rooms and two boardrooms.

 

- Hilton has opened the Conrad Koh Samui. Located on a 63-rai plot of land on Ao Thai Beach, the hotel features 80 villas with private plunge pools and sundecks. Each villa is built in contemporary Thai-style, with the options of one or two bedrooms. They come equipped with iPod docking station, a LCD flat-screen with a DVD player, an oversized bathtub and glass-walled rain shower.

 

Other facilities include restaurants, a lounge, a spa, a fitness centre, an outdoor yoga pavillion, an on-site diving and sailing centre and a pier.

 

Conrad Koh Samu is 28 kilometres from the airport to the west side of the island.

 

Sort of skimmed the post, but didn't see Pattaya mentioned. Does it even appear on any family holiday league whatsoever? You would think it would be top, as Joe say people are happy to sit on crappy beaches breathing pollution. And Patts certainly delivers on that, lol.

 

Pollution and sewage are the new trend in todays holidays

[yogi100 1,925]

I'm neither promoting nor rejecting it, or arguing either way. I go there a lot with my family. That's me.

 

I made a totally, completely, altogether, entirely different point, which is fact, not opinion, and that is that Thailand spends a lot of money marketing Pattaya as a family destination for people in the US, Australia and the UK.

 

But seriously folks. I used "google.com" here, i.e. the US site. I searched for Pattaya images as you said. Do you see "what's up?" Looks pretty good to me -- a LOT better than it actually looks, in fact. But nothing there makes me go, "No way, honey, I forbid you and the kids to go".

 

 

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I live in London and have never seen an advert enticing families to visit Pattaya, Thailand yes but not Pattaya. There may be the odd Pattaya holiday in brochures but it is not the type of resort that would appeal to British families, they'll come once unaware of the P4P nature of the town but will be unlikely to return unless they are visiting fathers and grandfathers. The price of the flights alone is prohibitive for the average family. They'll stick to their traditional resorts in the Mediterranean and nearer to home.

 

Those European families who may be seen on the beach are only there because they've paid for their trip and have no choice but to sit it out but few of them will return. The fathers and sons might but when they do so it will be alone and it will not be for a family holiday!

[Gabor 296]

Sort of skimmed the post, but didn't see Pattaya mentioned. Does it even appear on any family holiday league whatsoever? You would think it would be top, as Joe say people are happy to sit on crappy beaches breathing pollution. And Patts certainly delivers on that, lol.

 

Pollution and sewage are the new trend in todays holidays

 

I know a LOT of the hungarians visiting Pattaya.... many says, what I told on my very first visit ( as a family tourist ) it was a two in one trip: the first and the last.... Many are returning, just because of the friends, the hungarian community ( 90% are non mongers ) Some goes to the beach and swimming in the sea, despite one of the nicest seaside in the world ( Croatia ) is 6 hour drive from the capitol of Hungary... Some are just happy living the social life around the swimming pools and never step in the sea...

 

For the returning ( and long timer ) visitors three main factor plays roles: The mates, the summer in the wintertime and the value for the money scale ( NOT the cheap prices !!! ) ... many migrated from Cuba as their usual winter destination because of the value for the money thing changed...... ( remember, most of them are NOT mongers, relatively rich and high spenders, but like to see the value for their money.. ) In the last few years I witnessed many goes back to Cuba as the value for the money ( NOT only the prices !!! ) is decreasing in Pattaya... 3-4 years ago my circles were around 30-40 people, on my last trip maybe 10-20...

Edited September 14, 2011 by Gabor

[joekicker 53]

Let's agree to disagree Joe. I don't think western Euros would be happy to sit on a crappy beach breathing in pollution as you claim. Or for that matter, be happy with Pattaya as a resort at all. Especially when they have flown 6,000 miles and spent more than double a better resort. IMHO. Sure, they will sit there as they have paid for the holiday. But they won't be happy as you claim.

 

And yet they ARE sitting on Pattaya beaches. Do you mean maybe tomorrow they won't be? Or that they're not happy? Or what? I admit I have no way to know their precise state of mind, but they aren't cancelling - they are sitting there. Can't be TOO unhappy. They smile and all.

 

I don't understand the denial.

 

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[joekicker 53]

I live in London and have never seen an advert enticing families to visit Pattaya, Thailand yes but not Pattaya.

 

You see at the top of the page of the website, there is a chance to "Select Location (and) Language". When I do that, and select "United Kingdom (slash) English), and look around for very family-friendly places, I see this.

 

Click on this. Did you click? Well okay then - now you've seen one and we're on the same page, no pun intended.

 

There may be the odd Pattaya holiday in brochures but it is not the type of resort that would appeal to British families, they'll come once unaware of the P4P nature of the town but will be unlikely to return unless they are visiting fathers and grandfathers. The price of the flights alone is prohibitive for the average family. They'll stick to their traditional resorts in the Mediterranean and nearer to home.

 

Just a guess, but I'd guess that like distant families elsewhere, British families probably would "do" Thailand once for the exotic thrill, and not many would return whether it was Pattaya or elsewhere. I know it wouldn't occur to me to do Europe more than one holiday. Packing up spouses and little ones for a huge long trip to a far-off country, that's usually once in a lifetime per country, I'd think - British or whatever.

 

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[Obsession 571]

I know a LOT of the hungarians visiting Pattaya.... many says, what I told on my very first visit ( as a family tourist ) it was a two in one trip: the first and the last.... Many are returning, just because of the friends, the hungarian community ( 90% are non mongers ) Some goes to the beach and swimming in the sea, despite one of the nicest seaside in the world ( Croatia ) is 6 hour drive from the capitol of Hungary... Some are just happy living the social life around the swimming pools and never step in the sea...

 

For the returning ( and long timer ) visitors three main factor plays roles: The mates, the summer in the wintertime and the value for the money scale ( NOT the cheap prices !!! ) ... many migrated from Cuba as their usual winter destination because of the value for the money thing changed...... ( remember, most of them are NOT mongers, relatively rich and high spenders, but like to see the value for their money.. ) In the last few years I witnessed many goes back to Cuba as the value for the money ( NOT only the prices !!! ) is decreasing in Pattaya... 3-4 years ago my circles were around 30-40 people, on my last trip maybe 10-20...

 

Thanks for the explanation. Sounds strange as you say, missing Croatia out for Pattaya, but I absolutely take your word for it as you would know best what people from your part of the world do.

[joekicker 53]

Thanks for the explanation. Sounds strange as you say, missing Croatia out for Pattaya, but I absolutely take your word for it as you would know best what people from your part of the world do. chogdee

 

There are lots of reasons for picking holiday places, and "what we can afford" is the major part -- NOT "the cheapest we can find". If you've got a bit of cash, you go further abroad, looking for the exotic. Or, some people save up for a few years to go for it. I doubt very much that many people look at brochures and adverts and so on, and then say "what's the cheapest?". They want to be different when possible, they want it to be "doable" in the sense of passports and airports and all. They're looking inside their budget, but not just "the cheapest".

 

Thailand has a really good rep. Lots of people want to go. Like I say, I doubt whole families - meaning kids plural - would do it often or even twice. But couples or singles do, we know that. Some people get in a RUT, and you'll often see them sitting on Pattaya beaches, just like they did two and six and 12 years ago.

 

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[Gabor 296]

Thanks for the explanation. Sounds strange as you say, missing Croatia out for Pattaya, but I absolutely take your word for it as you would know best what people from your part of the world do.

 

If only the beaches, the mood of the city I would forget Pattaya vs Croatia...( my own preferences ) Small ancient cities with really tasty seafood ( thai seafood is crap ) and azure blue sea....

 

 

 

 

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However, still many people prefer the italian beaches ( on the other side of the sea ) I hate...

 

 

[joekicker 53]

In the photos, seems beaches everywhere look about the same.

 

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[danboy 151]

Bzzzzzzzt!

 

You're not even reading the thread. The DEVELOPMENT of Pattaya is not a question of either/or. It's a question of expansion, just like business anywhere else in the world. You (white) people are NOT going to be kicked out. As always, what you do will be up to you.

 

More people from more places will CONTINUE to come to Pattaya. There will be changes because of that. Some will like that, some won't, just like all the changes already made in Pattaya in the past, oh, 45 years.

 

P.S. Are you really claiming that you are on track to spend 400,000 baht ($13,000-plus) in Thailand this year?

 

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Huh! And what about us non-whites JoeKKK?

[Gabor 296]

In the photos, seems beaches everywhere look about the same.

 

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You are right... but my own personal experiences says.. the Pattaya pix are dramatized... The croatians are ... ok... close to the reality... The good thing there, the beaches are rocky and small... so no crowded and you can jump right into the deep and clear water, good to snorkeling to see the fishes.... definately not for the sandy beach lovers...