frostfire

Still no reply from Nev/Steve/Whoever about where else they charge 150 baht for SML on walking street. Anyone else know? Of the dozens of gogo's I frequent, Xzone is the only one that high. Would like to know where the others are (so I can stay away from them too)

So... Are you going to answer why you and your "good customer" pattaya-steve are posting from the same IP address? We already know you are full of shit. You cannot get away with that crap on this forum. Go over to the other forums where they let gogo owners bullshit the board members with fake posts.

Xzone Nev and this steve-pattaya are posting from the same IP address today. They are the same person. Idiots trying to lie about their bar and hype it up with fake accounts. I hate bastards like that.

No, actually its Xzone Nev again pretending to be someone else. Same IP address. Why the hell do idiots like you come on a forum and try to lie about stupid shit then post under a different name all hyping it up like its a good thing? Are you really that stupid? You got called out for the same thing on other forums, and while I gave that no attention at the time as I do not read the other forums, now it makes sense. You got caught over there, why did you think you could get away with it here? Idiot. Give Xzone a pass - the owner is a full of shit idiot.

And... how about us that don't drink draft beer? I like my Tiger... and most people drink San Mig Light from the bottle. Instead of trying to bring in the absolute cheapest of the lot, how about something tried and true that works: Bring your drink prices in line with every other place on walking street. Hell, if your girls actually do shows (which I did not see when I was there - just 3 extra naked dancers doing the pattaya shuffle), then you can likely safely charge 5 baht more than most places. Either way, a 150 baht san mig is out of line. Until you fix that, making the cheap charlies happy with their cheap draft is only going to bring you customers that do not give you custom. Which would you rather have? A guy drinking your 30 baht draft all night and never buying a lady drink, or a guy paying 120 baht for his tiger and 120 baht for a dozen lady drinks? Do the math. So are you the new new owner? I mean... after what I saw the other night I figured xzone wouldnt last long under the new ownership... but 12 hours is a bit faster than I expected, to be honest

Ya that does make a huge difference. My first 14 months living here I was in a moderate sized 2 bedroom house... and it was too big reallly. Back then I had very little in the way of possessions, and spent literally every night out until 5am on walking street - I can likely count on one hand the days I stayed at the house all day/night without going out. Then I moved in to a smallish place... single bedroom... and started accumulating "stuff" lol. I quickly outgrew the place, but ended up staying there well over 2 years, just because I hate moving. The bad part about that move is that shortly after getting that place I changed my pace quite a bit.. decided I would end up in the gutter in a few years at the rate I was going. I don't mean to insult most of the expats that live here... but I just didnt want to end up like that. There are a huge number of drunks living in 3k baht apartments and living from day to day. I have plenty of money, but have no doubt I could spend it up if I tried lol. So I decided to start working again. Since then I have averaged 40-75 hours per week working, and that room became MUCH smaller about then. still tho, I was too lazy to move. Finally did it tho... the place I am in now is 3br with a den that I use for a office, 2 living rooms, 2 kitchens (one inside, one outside for the thai stinky food lol), and is in a really good location - less than 5 minutes drive to Dao bar (where I have a couple favorite ST girls lol). Its a big place, but gives me room to breath. If I want to have friends over, no problem... In fact John1000 on this forum is staying here with his GF now, and its working out quite well. Much better arrangement. :) Anyway.. Condo's are all well and good for someone on holiday... but I sure wouldnt want to live in one. To each his own tho :)

Actually I remember very well. My tiger was 125 baht and San Mig Light was the same as I remember, tho I usually do not drink those, and lady drinks were 120, with showgirl/mamasan drinks being a little more expensive. Your "show girls" were only 3 in number, each on their own little pole/bed/tub, and standing around doing nothing. This was at about 11:45 as I recall - still very early in the night. There was no "show" of any kind - the show girls were doing the pattaya shuffle the whole 30 minutes we were there. Yes, I can find that in any other gogo in town without exception. So.. .just to make this very clear... You sir, are a liar. Your drink prices were NOT as they are now under the previous management. If you want to raise prices, thats up to you... but don't lie about it. It makes you look like an idiot. You really think people don't remember what they pay for drinks? Really? Granted sometimes I do not even look... but I do know the prices and after a half dozen drinks in any given establishment I can estimate what my bin should be within 100 baht... For the record I have known Mikki for years - since she was mamasan at Whats Up.. and have seen her in every place she has been since. While I can't say I frequented Xzone - I only went there a few times a month, I did go there and barfine from there enough to know the prices. Your lying about something so stupid has guaranteed that i for one will never suggest your place again on any crawl, and I have taken newbies there a number of times for a look at the dirtier side of show bars. If you had left well enough alone you would have done really well I think... but well done in alienating a good past customer, and ensuring a lack of one in me for the foreseeable future. I will gladly take my baht to Windmill. For anyone else that wants to know, Mikki and all the Xzone girls from before (or at least about 20 of them) are working at Windmill on Soi Diamond. She might not be the most honest person in the world... but she won't lie outright to your face about drink price changes.

I looked up there when I was shopping for my new place... not a bad location, that. I chose a place in Pattaya Hill 2 tho, up Soi Khow Noi. Very nice... IMHO a house is the way to go, no matter if your goal is to have a nice place or cheap place. When looking I ran in to several 2 bedroom townhomes between 7-15k, and while I did not choose them some of them were nice. I ended up in a 25k home... but... damn.. its very very nice. Most condo's start around 25k and you get a hotel sized room, or 1-2 small bedrooms if your lucky... and then you pay 7-8 baht per KWH for electric. I pay 3.2 or whatever the government rate is and have a huge 3br home - 10x the size of a condo of the same price. IMHO its a much better value... but to each his own.

You know, you should really learn a little bit about who you are talking to before posting something like this. I am very very well known to be a big spender in the bars I frequent, including Xzone - or at least before these major price hikes. It is not unusual for me to be buying my drinks plus lady drinks for several ladies at a time, and rarely complain about prices. This is not KL. This is Pattaya. There might be 2-3 discos that charge more than your bar now... but very few if any gogo bars. I can't remember the last time I saw 150 baht for a beer in a gogo... I am sure I have seen it before, but the gogo I saw it in is likely out of business now. And 140 for a lady drink? Last time I saw that was in a disco. Keep in mind that I live here and am on walking street more nights than not. You did not live up to the hype you posted in this thread, period. Sure, the place is cleaner... but the girls are not near as interactive as they were, at least they were not when we were there, and the drink and lady drink prices are way above the gogo average. Not a very good start IMHO. I was very very disappointed. Now, if the girls had been cuter and more interactive, the drink prices being so far out of line would not have been as bad a thing... its called value for money. But tell me why I would go to your "show bar" to see the same thing thats in all the other gogo's, but pay a much higher price to do it? Easy answer: I wouldnt. Feel free to ignore this "feedback"... and when Xzone is sold again in a few months I will go in again to see if things are changed. If so, I will frequent the place again. Your loss my friend, not mine.

Ran in to another friend on the way out of FLB tonight, and he had just come from Xzone... same story. Very high drink prices (140 for lady drink - we did not buy any the other night, and I didnt think to ask). Prices are way out of line all the way across the board. Will be out of business in record time I think.

ok, So tonight between rounds of the dance contest at FLB, Lovedog100, Skate and I decided to go check out the "new and improved" Xzone. It did seem cleaner, with new paint and clean tables and seats. The girls were average looking, with one single stunner in the lot, and another that I would not have kicked off my lap. The tab on the other hand... was very high. 150 baht for San Mig Light, and 130 baht for tiger. To put it very plain and clear: There is NOTHING in this gogo worth that price for beer, period. The show girls were not interactive, and did not do anything while we were there except dance alone - nothing special at all - can see the same in any gogo on walking street. The stunner was topless, but not bottomless.. and was soon called off the stage by a japanese guy, and quickly re-attached her top before sitting with him. Same as you would see in Baccara for 115 per beer. 150 is way too much for such a out of the way place and with no exceptional talent. unless they change their prices, they are doomed to fail. I am sad to say (after being a very good customer for years) that I will not be back, even if I hear of a price change. Its just not worth it. Frosty

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I won't give LK as harsh a review as LoveDog did... I do enjoy the occasional afternoon in Champagne.... but even then the CC's are out in force. Not too big a deal for me as I have a reputation for paying well, but for people going on for the first time the girls usually ignore you unless you are fairly aggressive about getting their attention... tho that is understandable since a very high number of their customers are there only to drink the cheap beer and never buy lady drinks. Enough of that would make just about any gal start to doze off lol. Even there tho I usually see only 1 or 2 girls that I would barfine, and 90% of the times I have been there I have walked out again without even buying a ladydrink. The rest of his facts are just about spot on tho. Sure, there are 6 (and soon to be 8) gogo's there... but they don't have a single gogo's worth of good looking girls between the lot of them. Makes it a pain when going out with friends (or on a barcrawl) since most of the people will be interested in the same bird lol. There is ok food to be had there tho... and if Bliss ever closes, Lolitas is a good BJ bar (never choose it over Bliss tho). Oh well.. I guess thats why I spend so much time on Walking Street.

If ya gotta go... its a damn good way to do it

More reason to stop in for a quick shower

I would also like to know this. We had a great dinner at Tigglebitties last year - but I am a very picky eater... and would be better served by a buffet. Tho... perhaps early in the day. Can do a big lunch at a buffet then still have dinner with friends at tigglebitties. That sounds like a plan

Ahh, thanks for that tip. Damn, for 900b each I would think they can afford aircon. Still intend to try this... but maybe only on a cool day now. I hate places with no AC... Even PBG, tho admittedly its usually ok there with the sea breeze. There are days tho that its just too hot to sit outside.

Try it now CB. Fixed.

Probably about 50 lol. No, actually am going to hire a truck and the door guys from FLB and do it in one go. Will pack things up over the next few days, then move on either Wed or Thurs, tho I might have to leave the computer here for a few more days depending on the scheduling of my internet move. Going to have the puppy go in to the Vet on Tuesday and stay until I'm moved, and they will de-flea him 100%... and will have the new place sprayed before I move in. Little thing has fleas and the frontline doesn't work because there are other dogs here where I'm at and their owners don't do anything about fleas or ticks, and the yard here is full of them. Am determined to make sure that problem is finished before I move. I likely will move some things over there by motorbike, but most will be trucked. I have way too much shit, tho a lot of it won't even be needed at the new place. I bought a countertop dishwasher, and the new place has a full size one, I bought a oven, and the new place has one lol. The only big appliance I bought and will still need is the washer and dryer - new place has a washer, but no dryer. I fucking hate moving.

Not sure if it was official, maybe just a rumor? But someone mentioned it was either the owner of, or supplier of, the Thai Cream Pie site that (funnily enough) went offline shortly after. I think they even mentioned the hotel? If not then the general area because I have it pictured in the beach road area around Soi 2-3-4... me memory is a bit dodgy. Anyone else remember that one? It got some attention here at the time.

That's exactly where I got them. Its opposite and a little down (toward 2nd road) from the post office. I actually had gone that way to check the post office, but they only had small ones. Nice big ones for 60 baht there, and she dropped that to 40 baht for 15, and threw in a couple bungie cords to tie them down to the motorbike. Now I just gotta pack. Not looking forward to that. A guy like me can buy a lot of shit in 4 years. :/

That's what I was looking for. Will go take a look. Didn't know they had anything like that back there... used to be a ceramic/pottery type place I think. Bought some stuff there years ago. Will go check them out here in a bit, once I know for sure they are open lol. Exactly what I used to do, years ago when the boxes were in good shape. That last several years I was in the US the stores either stopped doing that or they dismantled them first, or they recycled them... so I started using Uhaul boxes, which while expensive were very very good quality.

Well, I finally got in gear and found a nice® house and am moving next week. So... I need boxes. Would like to find some strong medium size boxes similar to the ones UHaul sells in the US... Any idea where I can find a place that sells them in Pattaya? Any idea where I can get them? TIA

Heres your average thousand baht burger lol. Sorry for the photo quality. Phone cameras suck.

Subject change: The girls in the photo... are not from Brazil are they? Looks way too dark. As in Africa dark. or?......