this forum is dying

[CheshireTom 1,377]

 

The prove, this scene is decline from 1979... Thanx for the guys like you.... Yeah... i remember the good old days when a barfine was more a GFE and a party, than a dry monetary business.... you probably never experienced...

 

G, The Grace Hotel is in Bangkok. Well beyond your area of expertise.

[danboy 151]

G, The Grace Hotel is in Bangkok. Well beyond your area of expertise.

Do you mean he actually has one??

[Wanchai Pete 29]

 

Any newbie will gushing about the scene still now... just because they knows nothing better....The westener guys are so desperate .... it is simple pathetic...

 

But that's my point. If a newbie finds the scene to be the best place they've ever witnessed why should they care when someone says it was way better years ago.

 

In this case It's a person's own opinion that counts, not someone else's

 

As for the truth, and invariably the truth is that a place was much better years ago, is actually irrelevant in this case

[Gabor 296]

 

You've got it backwards, Gabor. The Thai economy has been advancing for the past 45 years, much to the benefit of the Thai people. Some mongers might want Thailand to revert to as wretched a state as in 1979, but no Thais would, especially not the girls who work in P4P.

 

Evil

 

Again a false, dumb generalization... and as usual the facts don't disturbs you...what 45 years you talking about ??? The best scene was in the early 2000ish years when the baht was fallen down, the girls were hungry..and the waste of the western world wasn't aware the scene... only the adventurous guys visted the city... .Logical... Nowadays the girls are more rich, than the majority of the farang mongers... thanx for the cretin yellow invasion,... the uneducated " simple " barowners unable to establish a cartell...and the farang LDOP deluxe guys, like you... As the last one... I hear many stories about the ancient / fat guys who overpay to walk hand in hand on the seaboard... and only snore back in the room...beats the japs / koreans... Not to mention the desperate young westerner guys knows nothing better, than behave like a door mat...

Edited January 26, 2014 by Gabor

[Gabor 296]

 

But that's my point. If a newbie finds the scene to be the best place they've ever witnessed why should they care when someone says it was way better years ago.

 

In this case It's a person's own opinion that counts, not someone else's

 

As for the truth, and invariably the truth is that a place was much better years ago, is actually irrelevant in this case

 

Agree... very well said...for the sad, desperate newbie it will be a heaven... no matter how much he will be cheated and report an ultra ST starfish 40+ year old lonely , strechmarked mummy ....as his best night in his life..on the next day...maybe the english speaking " turn the failure to a success story " behaviour... or simple the so desperate westenern guy...knows nothing better...

Edited January 26, 2014 by Gabor

[Butch 3,456]

Gabor,

You're talking about a localised economy which favours the visitor, not a National Economy which favours the Country as a whole. Unfortunately for you, the Thai govt takes the needs of it's populous before the needs of the Hungarian cheap charlie sex tourist.

 

The late 90's actually (when the baht took a shit due to an Asian businessman devaluing the Silver market by flooding it with his reserves iirc, which sent several Asian economies into freefall). Ironic you mention this, as you're always one for overpayers ruining it for the cheap cunts. I'll put this to you, please try and counter argue with something factual, not your own experience which is not any good to man or beast.

 

1996 - 45 baht to £1 sterling. LT 500 baht / ST 300 baht (Freelancer/ Beer bar prices)

 

1998 - 100 baht to £1 sterling. LT increases to 800/1000 baht / ST500 baht. (Freelancer/ Beer bar prices)

 

2013 - 45 baht to £1 Sterling. LT 1000/1300 baht / ST 800 baht (Freelancer/ Beer bar prices)

 

12 years (from 1998) gives an (approx.) 30% increase in costs in 16 years. Lets say inflation at 5%, should be 65% approx.

 

Please present your evidence of overpayers increasing prices since 1998 and how they have effected the market. Unless of course you wish to suggest that overpayers are responsible for decreasing the price of LT payments by half over the past 12 years.

 

Overpayers increasing the cost?. I'm fucking glad you're not running my business on my behalf.

 

Anyway, on topic, we recently had to close our Thaigers forum due to lack of content and interest. The alternatives are pretty fucking poor TBH. This is by far the best of them, for content, members and banter. I'm sad to hear FLB has closed, Martin, hopefully you will start another venture which we can support.

 

Anyway, Gabor I miss your good taste in music and verbal jousting. please give me some more remixes I can download in the meantime. :). I might even start to like you...

Cheers

Butch

Edited January 26, 2014 by Butch

[jacko 8,775]

 

You've got it backwards, Gabor. The Thai economy has been advancing for the past 45 years, much to the benefit of the Thai people. Some mongers might want Thailand to revert to as wretched a state as in 1979, but no Thais would, especially not the girls who work in P4P.

 

Evil

I really don't think he was talking about the Thai economy, nor Thai mongers.

how much better Thailand had been for mongers in 1996-2001.

 

[jacko 8,775]

Funny how things never change.

 

This topic is from Feb 2004...forum dying, oh dear.[/quote/]

 

I suppose it is more accurate that BMs are expiring. It would be interesting to know how many BMs from 2004 are still posting in 2014.

Quite a few, we lead healthy and conservative lifes!

[Evil Penevil 7,628]

Again a false, dumb generalization... and as usual the facts don't disturbs you...what 45 years you talking about ??? The best scene was in the early 2000ish years when the baht was fallen down, the girls were hungry..and the waste of the western world wasn't aware the scene... only the adventurous guys visted the city... .

Among the many intellectual traits you lack is a sense of perspective. I'm talking about the PAST 45 years (1969-2014), as I said in my post. Many U.S. military veterans believe P4P in Thailand reached its peak in 1969 and it's all been downhill since then. Others would say it peaked in the 1970s, 1980s, 1990s, or as you say, 2000. Generally the peak year coincides with the punter's first visit to Thailand.

 

And both Pattaya and Thailand were famous as "sex tourist" destinations long before the Internet. The movie Emmmanuelle, which came out in 1974, was set in Bangkok and seen by 300 million people worldwide. All though the 1970s, 1980s and 1990s, there were countless articles in North American and European men's magazines about the sex scene in Thailand. A Playboy article in the 1970s about the easiest places in the world for sex said, "if you can't get laid out of the coffee shop at the Grace Hotel, yo can't get laid anywhere on earth." There were also travel agencies in Europe and N. American that arranged cheap charter trips to Pattaya for hard-core mongers. I remember reading a brochure from one in the 1980s that advised prospective customers to "skip the temples of Bangkok and beaches of Phuket and head straight for the bars of Pattaya."

 

The port calls of the U.S. Navy in the 1980s and 1990s helped cement Pattaya's reputation. Pictures of bar girls with "US Navy F*ck Me" painted on their buttocks were published in mainstream newspapers and magazines around the world.

 

Pattaya's reputation didn't begin with your first trip.

 

Logical... Nowadays the girls are more rich, than the majority of the farang mongers... thanx for the cretin yellow invasion,... the uneducated " simple " barowners unable to establish a cartell...and the farang LDOP deluxe guys, like you... As the last one... I hear many stories about the ancient / fat guys who overpay to walk hand in hand on the seaboard... and only snore back in the room...beats the japs / koreans...

All those things you describe are side effects of Thailand's economic development. Basically, as the Thai economy advances, prices will rise and the cheap Charlies will be squeezed out more and more. One day we may see Gabor's name on the endangered species, the last of Pattaya's CCs, with habitat deprivation having driven him back to 42 sq m in Jomtien, alone with his bottle of Varinthip and a bowl of noodle soup.

 

But I'm happy that I have advanced in your estimation from balloon chaser to farang LDOP deluxe.

 

Not to mention the desperate young westerner guys knows nothing better ...

Perspective, Gabor, perspective. Since you weren't here before 2000, there are those who could say that you are the one that "knows nothing better."

 

Evil

Edited January 28, 2014 by Evil Penevil

[Gabor 296]

Among the many intellectual traits you lack is a sense of perspective. I'm talking about the PAST 45 years (1969-2014), as I said in my post. Many U.S. military veterans believe P4P in Thailand reached its peak in 1969 and it's all been downhill since then. Others would say it peaked in the 1970s, 1980s, 1990s, or as you say, 2000. Generally the peak year coincides with the punter's first visit to Thailand.

 

And both Pattaya and Thailand were famous as "sex tourist" destinations long before the Internet. The movie Emmmanuelle, which came out in 1974, was set in Bangkok and seen by 300 million people worldwide. All though the 1970s, 1980s and 1990s, there were countless articles in North American and European men's magazines about the sex scene in Thailand. A Playboy article in the 1970s about the easiest places in the world for sex said, "if you can't get laid out of the coffee shop at the Grace Hotel, yo can't get laid anywhere on earth." There were also travel agencies in Europe and N. American that arranged cheap charter trips to Pattaya for hard-core mongers. I remember reading a brochure from one in the 1980s that advised prospective customers to "skip the temples of Bangkok and beaches of Phuket and head straight for the bars of Pattaya."

 

The port calls of the U.S. Navy in the 1980s and 1990s helped cement Pattaya's reputation. Pictures of bar girls with "US Navy F*ck Me" painted on their buttocks were published in mainstream newspapers and magazines around the world.

 

Pattaya's reputation didn't begin with your first trip.

 

 

All those things you describe are side effects of Thailand's economic development. Basically, as the Thai economy advances, prices will rise and the cheap Charlies will be squeezed out more and more. One day we may see Gabor's name on the endangered species, the last of Pattaya's CCs, with habitat deprivation having driven him back to 42 sq m in Jomtien, alone with his bottle of Varinthip and a bowl of noodle soup.

 

But I'm happy that I have advanced in your estimation from balloon chaser to farang LDOP deluxe.

 

 

Perspective, Gabor, perspective. Since you weren't here before 2000, there are those who could say that you are the one that "knows nothing better."

 

Evil

 

Your usual verbal diarrhea...nothing more... the facts you quoted are right ... nothing to argue...BUT... your facts forget the real life facts...when I visited very first time Pattaya as a family tourist with my wife...it was an emerging market for the ex commie market... a winter holiday for pennies... nothing about the sex market.... We witnessed the many german ( and the few english speaking ) sex tourists... we laughed about them and called the thai girls the climbing monkeys on the hairy, ugly farangs... ( germans... not english speaking farangs ) When I came back as a single guy in 2000 it was an english speaking dominated place... The movie Emanuelle was just an exotic thrill for the wanking westener community, not a real choice...( maybe for the sailors... )

[Parkwahn 61]

Your usual verbal diarrhea...nothing more... the facts you quoted are right ... nothing to argue...BUT... your facts forget the real life facts...when I visited very first time Pattaya as a family tourist with my wife...it was an emerging market for the ex commie market... a winter holiday for pennies... nothing about the sex market.... We witnessed the many german ( and the few english speaking ) sex tourists... we laughed about them and called the thai girls the climbing monkeys on the hairy, ugly farangs... ( germans... not english speaking farangs ) When I came back as a single guy in 2000 it was an english speaking dominated place... The movie Emanuelle was just an exotic thrill for the wanking westener community, not a real choice...( maybe for the sailors... )

 

Tha baht was weakest in the Asian crisis... 97 I think.....I heard 90 to the £......

 

No smart phones, very few senders.... Less western food here....

 

It was well known in UK as Evil says in 70s...

 

Not sure Hungary had the same news coverage.....

[Butch 3,456]

How can factual prose be interpreted as "verbal diarrhea" (sic).

 

Enquiring minds need to know.

[Gabor 296]

How can factual prose be interpreted as "verbal diarrhea" (sic).

 

Enquiring minds need to know.

 

A verbal diarrhea cite thousands of facts nothing to do with OP,...as we says in Hungary: A man gives a 3 page reply you can reply with 4 simple sentence is able more evil things... The verbal diarhhea and the cited facts in it is just a tool to hide the meanings...

 

A clear sign of the lie, when a yes or a no would be enough, you receive a verbal diarrhea...

Edited February 1, 2014 by Gabor

[Evil Penevil 7,628]

How can factual prose be interpreted as "verbal diarrhea" (sic).

 

Enquiring minds need to know.

It's Gabor's way of saying he's incapable of writing a meaningful reply to the points I raised. Many times he simply doesn't understand what I've written.

 

Evil

[captcraig2 120]

Funny how things never change.

 

This topic is from Feb 2004...forum dying, oh dear.[/quote/]

 

I suppose it is more accurate that BMs are expiring. It would be interesting to know how many BMs from 2004 are still posting in 2014.

I'm still here.

[Sailfast 503]

Me too. Although my first trip was Jan 2005 :) What a trip that was. I might have cried on the plane ride home :)

[atlas2 4,329]

I didn't make that statement in the third paragraph that VPI posted just above.

 

 

Where?

[CheshireTom 1,377]

 

 

Where?

 

Post #49.

[MM 6,562]

 

 

Where?

 

Oh, never mind. I was reading it with tapatalk and it didn't display who quoted whom correctly.

 

i've since deleted my post.

 

Don't know why I bothered! The damned forum has been dying for 10 years anyway

[atlas2 4,329]

 

Post #49.

 

 

 

Oh, never mind. I was reading it with tapatalk and it didn't display who quoted whom correctly.

 

i've since deleted my post.

 

Don't know why I bothered! The damned forum has been dying for 10 years anyway

 

 

I found captcraigs quote of a VP post and the original………. And then before I could get back Tom had replied and you too.

 

I'd say there's still some life left.

[gs joe 1,770]

I found captcraigs quote of a VP post and the original………. And then before I could get back Tom had replied and you too.

 

I'd say there's still some life left.

There's life Jim but not as we know it ,

 

 

Joe

[Gonzo 419]

 

My view is that there is always someone who will say that Asia was better in the old days and is a pale shadow of its past. I first visited in 1996 and heard exactly the same stories. But i had a great time so kind of ignored it.

 

The main question for a newbie is - do you like the place that you've just discovered? if so, then it means absolutely nothing if someone else considered it better years ago, whether that is true or not. if you like a place in the present day enjoy it.

 

But beware, because in 10+ years time you may well find yourself lamenting about how things have changed and how they used to be so much better.

Hi Pete,

 

Hi Pete, You are on the right track. When I first came here in 2001 I thought I had landed in paradise. Shortly after arriving I started to mostly lurk on some message boards to learn a bit more about Pattaya.

 

Many of the board members, who had been living in Pattaya long time before I found my way here, raved on how much better Pattaya was when they first arrived in the early nineties. When I tried to say that I thought Pattaya was still one of the best places to visit or to live in my opinion, the old- timer experts usually got stuck into me and told me that I was a totally clueless.

 

Most of those “experts” are no longer around and I am still here after nearly 13 years and still think Pattaya is a great place, unlike most places in the many countries I have visited in the last 50 years.

 

There only a few places I can remember to be equally as good and exciting as Pattaya. Everything changes as time marches on, including the people. The only thing that matters is how we deal with those changes.