The demise of Pattaya

[Guest Belem]

must be the great beaches

 

I'll take em over the ones in Galveston.

[Obsession 571]

Most of the hotels in north Pattaya/Naklua have access to beaches that make tourists happy as clams. And to tell the truth? MOST tourists are happy to sit on the crappy Pattaya main beach for a day, they have nothing at home that comes close - pollution and all. Give them the sun, the deck chair, the food delivery, and there's not a peep of complaint. It's easy to sneer at the guy sitting on a Pattaya beach deck chair until you see the poor slob who has to make do with Blackpool or Omaha, Nebraska for his holiday.

 

 

Actually Joe, most Euros would be appalled at Pattaya beach or Wongamat. That's why we have so much difficulty getting our heads around the idea of families visiting Patts as we know that without the women as Patts pales in comparison to the resorts your average Euro goes on holiday to, and is more expensive. Usually Euro beaches are raked and cleaned every morning and the streets are hosed clean. I miss them and still consider them instead of Patts. But Patts wins because of the women. Having said that, they do seem to be having success at attracting the non monger market. I am pleased for them. I was going off of the place anyway lol.

[Bazle 1,485]

Usually Euro beaches are raked and cleaned every morning and the streets are hosed clean. I miss them and still consider them instead of Patts. But Patts wins because of the women. Having said that, they do seem to be having success at attracting the non monger market. I am pleased for them. I was going off of the place anyway lol.

Thailand is still cheap relative to the UK and most of Continental Europe. And few places can offer the weather Pattaya usually has.

 

As to the streets being hosed down, I guess you didn't have in mind anywhere in the UK. They don't get it - and generally the rain does the job.

[Obsession 571]

Thailand is still cheap relative to the UK and most of Continental Europe. And few places can offer the weather Pattaya usually has.

 

As to the streets being hosed down, I guess you didn't have in mind anywhere in the UK. They don't get it - and generally the rain does the job.

 

Yes. I was talking about mainly Spanish , Canary island resorts etc. The type of place I have heard Euro BMs say they used to holiday in and families go.

Re costs. Yes, Patts is probably cheaper on the ground for food and drinks, but overall a holiday in Europe is cheaper by hundreds of pounds if not over a thousand cheaper if you take flights and non "above a brothel" accommodation into account. I have friends just back from Turkey. £200 each for the flight and apartment and including transfers, and it wasn't above a bar lol. They went to New York earlier in the year. So, 2 holidays for the price of a Patts holiday.

[joekicker 53]

Actually Joe, most Euros would be appalled at Pattaya beach or Wongamat.

 

Actually Obsessed one, Thai tourism isn't run for western Europeans who live on islands. On the other hand, "appalled" doesn't mean they don't hit those beaches. Up north of what so many mongers think of as Pattaya, the beaches are quite busy with Europeans. They don't seem to prefer English, of course. So what?

 

That's why we have so much difficulty getting our heads around the idea of families visiting Patts as we know that without the women as Patts pales in comparison to the resorts your average Euro goes on holiday to, and is more expensive.

 

Yeah I guess you're right that there aren't many western European families from the far western islands. Not a lot of Brazilians there either. However, there ARE lots of Europeans in Pattaya, just not speaking English. Hint: Moscow.

 

The point of this entire thread is that no one in Pattaya-planning gives much of a stuff for really pale far-west Europeans any longer.

 

What *I* think is going to happen in Pattaya is what has happened in a couple of others places (Patpong, Patong) and that is that foreigners will kick out the Thai tourists. THAT is much more revolutionary than switching from one brand of pasty Europeans to another -- which happens all the time in Pattaya.

 

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[Obsession 571]

Actually Obsessed one, Thai tourism isn't run for western Europeans who live on islands. On the other hand, "appalled" doesn't mean they don't hit those beaches. Up north of what so many mongers think of as Pattaya, the beaches are quite busy with Europeans. They don't seem to prefer English, of course. So what?

 

No need for your attitude , dickhead. I never said Patts was run for Euros. I am pointing put you were wrong to think Euros would be happy to sit on crap beaches.

I made a perfectly polite post trying to explain to you that actually Euros from my neck of the woods won't be perfectly happy to sit on a shit beach in Pattaya or a beach at Wongamat covered in broken glass while having their kids risk decapitation in the water because the water isn't zoned for bathers safety. It was silly of you to say it's better than they get at home, as we were talking holidays,not staying at home , but I was too polite to mention it. Why don't you get back into bed and get out the other side and try to be nice! And if you are wrong.then swallow it , rather than attack. I know you always go in like you know the UK, better than Brits , but you don't. Stop being a know all.

 

Joe. How many European beach resorts have you visited?

[joekicker 53]

No need for your attitude , dickhead. I never said Patts was run for Euros. I am pointing put you were wrong to think Euros would be happy to sit on crap beaches.

 

But that is not what I wrote. I wrote that they DO sit on the crap beaches. Because they do.

[Obsession 571]

But that is not what I wrote. I wrote that they DO sit on the crap beaches. Because they do.

 

You said they were HAPPY to sit on the crappy main beach in the pollution. I would say, as a Brit who takes part in holiday small talk almost daily, that Brits ( and probably all Euros) expect better than that. That's why we have trouble thinking that Pattaya could be successful as a family resort, as it isn't up to the standard of other resorts. You just have to look at the lack of female Euro tourists compared to other towns to see that Pattaya offers very little to the non monger.

However, I did say that it does seem to be pulling it off. Maybe Indians and Russians haven't experienced better resorts. Or maybe they can attract enough new visitors that they won't need returning tourists. I have read that they get very cheap subsidized holidays.

And, they seem to have timed it well. Just as mongers move on / stop going, they have started looking for families. Nice timing

 

 

 

 

 

MOST tourists are happy to sit on the crappy Pattaya main beach for a day, they have nothing at home that comes close - pollution and all. Give them the sun, the deck chair, the food delivery, and there's not a peep of complaint. It's easy to sneer at the guy sitting on a Pattaya beach deck chair until you see the poor slob who has to make do with Blackpool or Omaha, Nebraska for his holiday.

 

[joekicker 53]

You said they were HAPPY to sit on the crappy main beach in the pollution. I would say, as a Brit who takes part in holiday small talk almost daily, that Brits ( and probably all Euros) expect better than that. That's why we have trouble thinking that Pattaya could be successful as a family resort,

 

But it IS successful as a family resort, that's the thing. You keep talking about the semi-Euros of the western continental islands. I keep talking about people who go to Pattaya. You seem to be saying that Pattaya is not for everyone, which is self-evident, obvious and unarguable. (Which destination IS for everyone? Answer: Not one exsists.) I keep saying Pattaya *is* for SOME PEOPLE and has long been for them, in quite large numbers. They, including many Europeans, are actually quite happy sitting on that crappy main beach, where you really cannot see any pollution even if you know it's there. Those piles of deck chairs are there for a reason - bums are put on them.

 

I have no idea whether you like Pattaya. I have no idea whether the folks on your street like it. I *do* know that tens of thousands make it to Pattaya for family vacation and most seem to be quite happy about it.

 

And, they seem to have timed it well. Just as mongers move on / stop going, they have started looking for families. Nice timing thumbup

 

Heh. Okay. If you say so. But as I have written many times, Pattaya is much bigger than the monger section. It has ALWAYS had families. Families made Pattaya (switched from Bang Saen) and families are a major, big, important part of Pattaya business. It's simply not one or the other. Both of them exist and often co-exist just fine.

 

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[Obsession 571]

But it IS successful as a family resort, that's the thing. You keep talking about the semi-Euros of the western continental islands. I keep talking about people who go to Pattaya. You seem to be saying that Pattaya is not for everyone, which is self-evident, obvious and unarguable. (Which destination IS for everyone? Answer: Not one exsists.) I keep saying Pattaya *is* for SOME PEOPLE and has long been for them, in quite large numbers. They, including many Europeans, are actually quite happy sitting on that crappy main beach, where you really cannot see any pollution even if you know it's there. Those piles of deck chairs are there for a reason - bums are put on them.

 

I have no idea whether you like Pattaya. I have no idea whether the folks on your street like it. I *do* know that tens of thousands make it to Pattaya for family vacation and most seem to be quite happy about it.

 

 

 

Heh. Okay. If you say so. But as I have written many times, Pattaya is much bigger than the monger section. It has ALWAYS had families. Families made Pattaya (switched from Bang Saen) and families are a major, big, important part of Pattaya business. It's simply not one or the other. Both of them exist and often co-exist just fine.

 

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Blah blah blah. A lot of bullshit and previous denial and pointless reference3s to stuff I never said. No need for it Joe. All I did was point out you were wrong regarding Euros being happy to sit on a shit beach breathing pollution.

 

Anyway. you forgot to tell me how many Euro beach resorts you have holidayed in?

[Evil Penevil 7,628]

The authorities in Thailand are counting on the rise of the middle class in Russia, China and India. Millions upon millions of people in those countries have never been outside their hometowns, much less abroad, so there is a huge pent-up demand for travel. And if they come from god-awful industrial cities in Siberia or inland China - or anywhere in India - then Pattaya, with all its warts, seems like a tropical paradise because they have nothing better with which to compare it.

 

No one is suggesting TAT is making a play for families from Europe, Australia and North America. It's clear families from those regions have more attractive options for beach vacations. Not so with tourists (family or not) from China, India and Russia. Maybe they'd rather go elsewhere, but they have a very limited range of choices because of visa requirements and, in many cases, thin wallets. Group tours from China, Russia and India are heavily subsidized by the participants' employers or organizations to which they belong. Most of them couldn't afford an individualized trip to Thailand or anywhere else aboard. Given a choice between visiting Pattaya or staying at home, huge numbers of them are happy over a trip to Pattaya.

 

The continued prosperity of the Thai middle class is also an important factor in Pattaya's future. The Mayor of Pattaya recently said about 5 million foreigners and 2 million Thais visit Pattaya each year. He wants to increase that figure over the next decade to 10 million foreigners and 4.2 million Thais. Considering the rate at which tourists visits from Russia, India and China have grown in recent years, it's not an unreasonable goal.

 

And where do farang mongers, whether Cheap Charlies or two-week millionaires, fit into the picture? At the fringes. They are, of course, the customer base for bars, guest houses and other establishments that cater to sex tourists, but they don't have much impact on the economy of Pattaya as a whole. It's a niche market that is extremely over-saturated. There are way too many bars and other places that are fighting over a dwindling number of farang punters. A shake-out had to come sometime and it will cause personal tragedies for some business owners, but it won't slow the development of tourism in Pattaya.

 

I imagine I'll be making my excuses to St. Peter long before farang-oriented P4P dries up entirely in Pattaya, but the trend is inescapable - sex tourism is on the way out for very valid reasons.

 

Evil

Edited September 12, 2011 by Evil Penevil

[nkped 1,208]

And, this being Thailand, if you want your Pattaya Beach to be the one with soft white sand, clear blue seas, no high rise hotels/baht buses etc etc it's readily available. You just have to know where to look.

 

Tom, Okay I'll bite. Where is that beautiful stretch of sand in relation to the badly abused parcel of waterfront most of us (including myself) think of as Pattaya?

 

[CheshireTom 1,377]

nkped, on 12 September 2011 - 06:02 AM, said:

 

Tom, Okay I'll bite. Where is that beautiful stretch of sand in relation to the badly abused parcel of waterfront most of us (including myself) think of as Pattaya?

Pattaya beach.jpg

 

The pic was taken from the opposite end of the bay from the Immigration Office.

[sinbinjack 251]

But it IS successful as a family resort, that's the thing.

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I am prepared to be proven wrong ,but whenever I have visited Pattaya in the last 6/7 years the beach has been almost deserted.I admit I dont get down to beach rd in daylight often and I have only been in Pattaya between April and September,but I never saw any crowds apart from a couple of occassions when there was a special event on the waterfront,and that was mainly thais.I personally remember only 1 occassion when I sat on the Beach and I have stayed in Pattaya for about 20 months in the last 7 years.I am not a beach peson but I would not spend time on the beach at Pattaya ,in fact I would not frequent the beach rd area were it not for the Ladies and the bars.

Edited September 13, 2011 by sinbinjack

[LocalYokul 214]

 

until you see the poor slob who has to make do with Blackpool or Omaha, Nebraska for his holiday.

 

Funny you should mention that, Nebraska is such a shithole..., but I don't think they have any beachfront property.

[yselmike 389]

Bugger the price of beer have you seen what's been happening to the Euro the last week going down,I look at the exchange rate

not drink prices,it must be under 40baht to a Euro on the street,and a against the dollar down to about 1;32 aaagh.

[jaxxon55 252]

Actually Joe, most Euros would be appalled at Pattaya beach or Wongamat. That's why we have so much difficulty getting our heads around the idea of families visiting Patts as we know that without the women as Patts pales in comparison to the resorts your average Euro goes on holiday to, and is more expensive. Usually Euro beaches are raked and cleaned every morning and the streets are hosed clean. I miss them and still consider them instead of Patts. But Patts wins because of the women. Having said that, they do seem to be having success at attracting the non monger market. I am pleased for them. I was going off of the place anyway lol.

 

Wongamat Beach is full of Euros every day. Try going there.

Jack

[Obsession 571]

Wongamat Beach is full of Euros every day. Try going there.

Jack

 

Why do you think I know it's covered in broken glass? I admit it's a while since I've been. Have they cleaned it up? Are there lifeguards and safety zones , toilets etc?

 

I guess you quizzed the people, since you know they were Euros! Where were they from in Europe?

How high did they score in your " happy meter"? They would sit on the beach to " make the most of it". There is a UK tv programme called " holidays from hell". If you could watch that, you would understand what standards people expect. It's high. Safety is very high.

 

 

 

Why are forums like this? People arguing black is white? There is no doubt whatsoever that Pattaya is a crap family resort when compared to what Euros are used to. I obviously like Pattaya, but I don't think the sun shines out it's arse. As Evil said , maybe Russians and Indians families will love it. I can only speak for Euros , and they expect life guards , safety zones , childcare in the hotels, kids entertainers and entertainment for themselves that isn't a crap Thai band. A shopping mall won't cut it lol. I have been to many European beach resorts, and Pattaya doesn't compare with them whatsoever, except for WS and the whole P4P scene. imho.

[joekicker 53]

Blah blah blah. A lot of bullshit and previous denial and pointless reference3s to stuff I never said. No need for it Joe. All I did was point out you were wrong regarding Euros being happy to sit on a shit beach breathing pollution.

 

You pointed it out all right, but you are quite wrong. Europeans ARE happy to sit on the Pattaya beach, and do so daily.

 

Anyway. you forgot to tell me how many Euro beach resorts you have holidayed in? rolleyes

 

I didn't forget. You didn't ask. Are you asking? I don't mind telling you. I'm curious why it matters. What matters is whether Europeans sit on Pattaya beaches.

 

I am prepared to be proven wrong ,but whenever I have visited Pattaya in the last 6/7 years the beach has been almost deserted.I admit I dont get down to beach rd in daylight often

 

A classic. But yes, I definitely screwed up and you are right. There are very few European families on the deckchairs at Pattaya beach at midnight, or five hours either side of midnight.

 

Funny you should mention that, Nebraska is such a shithole..., but I don't think they have any beachfront property.

 

Well, maybe not Mr Sinbin. Maybe THIS is a classic. Yes. I definitely screwed up and you are right. No one is capable of understanding that when your choice is Omaha or Pattaya, even Pattaya BEACH looks really, really good. Probably even at 2am.

 

No one is suggesting TAT is making a play for families from Europe, Australia and North America.

 

Um. Well, yes, TAT is certainly doing that. Spending quite a lot of money on exactly that. Quite successfully, too.

 

You're doing EXACTLY what the OP and numerous posters did, claiming that it's some sort of either/or - either they get white people OR they get Indians/Chinese. That's quite wrong, very wrong.

 

The continued prosperity of the Thai middle class is also an important factor in Pattaya's future.

 

Not to mention Pattaya's past.

 

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Edited September 13, 2011 by joekicker

[Obsession 571]

When I try to quote your post Joe, it shows up some other nonsense. Maybe a bit you deleted.

 

Joe. I don't have the time your your dumbfuckery, angry attacks or you thinking you are being clever , when you are actually being a difficult arsehole. Stop being so pathetic. As usual you are trying to make a lame , childish point. This time regarding whether Russia could be classed as part of Europe , when every BM knows that on the forum , we don't class Russions as Euros for discussion terms. You are a nitpicking bore. imho. You are making a time wasting non point as I have said I am talking of Brit and maybe Euro families. Every sensible BM knows I am not talking for Russians

 

Why would you say I have never asked if you have been to Euro beach resorts. More pedantic nitpicking? There's no need for you to answer as you will just answer some ridiculous pedantic , unfriendly crap.

 

All this because I said you were wrong that Euros would be happy sitting on a crap beach breathing pollution. Jeeeeeeez. No wonder people don't post.

[nidnoyham 30]

 

All this because I said you were wrong that Euros would be happy sitting on a crap beach breathing pollution. Jeeeeeeez. No wonder people don't post.

 

Is it beginning to show ?

[Obsession 571]

Is it beginning to show ?

 

I noticed you were missing, mate. How are you and Herbert?

[nidnoyham 30]

I noticed you were missing, mate. How are you and Herbert?

 

Things have been better, but that would take a PM to answer fully.

Herbert is fine, but out Hamster died in me hands today. Herb will miss chasing her around the floor in her exersise ball. Brentford home to Colchester tonight, then a Ruby after the game for me Greek mates B.Day. Poor old sod is my age now - cheers !

[danboy 151]

No need for your attitude , dickhead. I never said Patts was run for Euros. I am pointing put you were wrong to think Euros would be happy to sit on crap beaches.

I made a perfectly polite post trying to explain to you that actually Euros from my neck of the woods won't be perfectly happy to sit on a shit beach in Pattaya or a beach at Wongamat covered in broken glass while having their kids risk decapitation in the water because the water isn't zoned for bathers safety. It was silly of you to say it's better than they get at home, as we were talking holidays,not staying at home , but I was too polite to mention it. Why don't you get back into bed and get out the other side and try to be nice! And if you are wrong.then swallow it , rather than attack. I know you always go in like you know the UK, better than Brits , but you don't. Stop being a know all.

 

Joe. How many European beach resorts have you visited?

 

 

I didn't forget. You didn't ask. Are you asking? I don't mind telling you. I'm curious why it matters. What matters is whether Europeans sit on Pattaya beaches.

 

 

[joekicker 53]

When I try to quote your post Joe, it shows up some other nonsense. Maybe a bit you deleted.

 

Jeebus. Yes, it's definitely me. Has to be me. Couldn't be anything or anyone else. It's definitely my posting that does this. If I didn't post, everything would be perfect in your life. Including doing quotes in Internet forum posts, the last little bump between you and your almost ended quest for perfection in your life.

 

However. I didn't delete anything.

 

Joe. I don't have the time

 

Sure you do. Just like all the other times you took the time to write that you didn't have time. You keep writing this "I don't have the time" happy horsespit, and you keep taking the time to write it. Don't disrespect your readers THAT much, okay?

 

we don't class Russions as Euros

 

What do you mean "we" kemosabby? I specifically said who the Europeans are. I specifically alluded to the small islands of far western Europe where you often are found. Yet only now do you have lots, and lots, and LOTS of time to kvetch about it. Oh, and it's my fault of course. Of course.

 

But go ahead. Take out the Russians. Great. I will take out the Russians. No Russians in this:

 

Europeans ARE happy to sit on the Pattaya beaches, and do so daily.

 

for discussion terms. You are a nitpicking bore. imho. You are making a time wasting non point as I have said I am talking of Brit and maybe Euro families. Every sensible BM knows I am not talking for Russians banghead

 

I specifically defined European for this thread. You didn't have time to READ, only to rant and write.

 

Why would you say I have never asked if you have been to Euro beach resorts.

 

Because out of nowhere, for no apparent reason I can figure, you suddenly stated (correctly) that I'd never said how many European beaches I'd vacationed at. Do you want to know or not? Because *I* want to know what it has to do with the price of rice in China. There are SO many things I also didn't post in this thread. As for you, you have flat refused to post the current temperature in your far-west European hometown. Don't think I didn't notice your avoiding THAT vital fact.

 

I guess I've visited a dozen Euro beaches, I don't know, most of them very un-memorable. I've vacationed, meaning I've stayed a few days in the summer at Nice and at Barcelona. Nice, I'd rather sit under the live pollution outlet at Pattaya and I'd pay to do it, maybe you have to be French or something. Barcelona beach is okay if you are poor and can't afford better like, oh, Nebraska or Austria.

 

All this because I said you were wrong that Euros would be happy sitting on a crap beach breathing pollution. Jeeeeeeez. No wonder people don't post.

 

See what I mean about not reading? I never said Euros WOULD BE happy doing that. I said they ARE happy doing that and they HAVE BEEN happy doing that. There's no theory involved, no guesswork, no crystal balling. It already happened.

 

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Edited September 13, 2011 by joekicker